Twisted English

WesleyW said:
No it's not. It's something between parallel and BHE. First I get in position and aim at centre hit. When you apply BHE you are moving your backhand, so the tip will move to right or left. When you are applying FHE, your backhand will stand still. You just adjust your bridge(hand) to the exact amount of english. So in theory the cue will be more diagonal compare to parallel. But will be less parallel compare to BHE.

Using parallel, you need to adjust for squirt more than when you use FHE. That's why I like FHE more than parallel.
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thanks wes, ill try that

hey hal, how you doing.......its been awhile since we've talked, been busy doing tax returns. I hope to get to call you again sometime as well.
 
I'm sorryI brought this up. As if I didn't have enough trouble trying too improve my game, now I'll be trying this crazy english and shooting with no chalk. I suspect that I will regress from a C to a C-. Curses on that Larry Schwartz.

Dave Nelson
 
Dave Nelson said:
How come it was new to Larry Schwartz?
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That's a mystery to me. How someone of his ability is just learning that is crazy. It's really old information, as Bob Jewett mentioned.

Hey Bob, do you think there is a difference between the amount of spin applied with parallel english versus back-hand english?
 
halhoule said:
You Got It All Wrong. We Do Not Start By Aiming The Center Of The Cue Ball. Call Me At 484 623 4144 And I Will Go Through The Routine With You.

Hal Houle
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To correct myself. I'm not aiming at center ball. I'm aiming at the vertical axis.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
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Hey Bob, do you think there is a difference between the amount of spin applied with parallel english versus back-hand english?
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I think there is. I haven't figured it out yet. But I've noticed that when you have a normal forward striking motion, it applies lesser amount of english, compare to a forward striking motion with movements to the english direction. When you hit the ball, you move your cue/tip to the wanted direction.

When hitting doing a normal forward motion, aiming at the center of the short rail. The CB will go a little above the center pocket, I apply maximum english. When I hit the CB and I push the tip/cue to the english direction, the CB will hit a little above the second diamond under the corner pocket.
 
Joe: I could watch you teach all day.

Check 2:00 in the first clip. Looks like a subconscious use of BHE, making the Predator look better than it is.
 
hey wes i messed around with the fhe some last night........ME LIKEY!

you know i think i used to try something similar wayyyyy back and somebody told me it was wrong or maybe i read a book that it was wrong and i just dropped it and never did it again. But yeah i think i like it even more than bhe, especially on long shots, long shots worked great.

also i definitely say bhe/fhe puts more spin on the cueball than parallel for me.
 
JohnnyP said:
Joe: I could watch you teach all day.

Check 2:00 in the first clip. Looks like a subconscious use of BHE, making the Predator look better than it is.
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Thanks & hopefully you'll have the chance by the end of the year as I plan on doing a lot of video lessons this year.

Thanks for the 2:00 heads up, its actually a subconscious slip of not telling the people see what happens when you use this type of stick and proper technique.
 
scottycoyote said:
hey wes i messed around with the fhe some last night........ME LIKEY!

you know i think i used to try something similar wayyyyy back and somebody told me it was wrong or maybe i read a book that it was wrong and i just dropped it and never did it again. But yeah i think i like it even more than bhe, especially on long shots, long shots worked great.

also i definitely say bhe/fhe puts more spin on the cueball than parallel for me.
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I'm glad you liked it. It don't work for everyone. But when it works, it's a good technique, I think. I've learn this from a good friend of mine. He is really good using english. It's just exciting to watch him playing with english. He was one of the students of Bustamante. The advantage of this, compare to parallel aiming, is it will make your aim much easier. It's more difficult to see if your alignment is truly 100% parallel. Aiming at the vertical axis first, will give you a better alignment. That's why I like FHE more than parallel. Recently I've played with the Z-shaft, and the FHE didn't work for me. Parallel works better with the Z-shaft.

There are indeed peoples and books saying to don't use FHE. They advice you to don't move your bridge, when you are already in the shooting position. But who cares, if it works, than it works.
 
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yep so true, somethings work for some and not for others, its all about conditions, equipment etc. Right now im using just my regular schon shafts, i havent tried it with my ob1.

and to joe t, i got to watch your first video this morning.......very nice! I like the explanations of everything, and genius to be shooting it all in the corner pocket, excellent gauge of squirt. Looking forward to watching the rest when i get a chance but so far i think its top shelf material.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
That's a mystery to me. How someone of his ability is just learning that is crazy. It's really old information, as Bob Jewett mentioned.

Hey Bob, do you think there is a difference between the amount of spin applied with parallel english versus back-hand english?
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Might be a geographic thing. It is not a known concept in the NYC area. That's not to say a few players here and there might not know it... but I've never heard the term mentioned outside of this forum.

- Steve
 
SpiderWebComm said:
... Hey Bob, do you think there is a difference between the amount of spin applied with parallel english versus back-hand english?
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No, but there's no reason you should take my word for it. Put a ball in the middle of the foot rail. Put the cue ball on the head spot. Play with left english to the right of the object ball and see how far the other side of the left side pocket you can hit. (If you can't hit on the far side of the side pocket on this shot, you need to get some very basic instruction or your table is broken.)

Try the above test for both ways of applying side spin. In each case, make sure you shoot as close to the object ball as you can without hitting it. Repeat for right side spin on the cue ball.
 
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