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Dave Nelson

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Have you read Larry Schwartz article in the latest B.D.? My first reaction was, WHAT!!!!. This is contrary to everything I have read or been told. But who am I, a lousy C player, to argue with Larry or any good player.

So I tried it. I set it up exactly as shown except that I used a regular sized cue ball. As I was getting ready to pull the trigger I said to myself, that ball can't possibly go in that pocket, and I hit it. Bingo, dead center, and I never got that much english on a cue ball before in my life.

Maybe this is old stuff to you guys but it was a revelation to me.

Dave Nelson
 
Dave, do you think you could explain what the english/shot was that you were playing so we could understand what it was also?
 
I will try

Instead of moving the cue parrallel to the straight in position to the disired english line, you pivot your cue on your bridge to bring the tip to the desired spot on the cue ball. Does that make sense?

Dave
 
I have used that for years, especially on inside english shots, seems more accurate to me. I think they now call it back hand english. It works.

highrun55
 
Yes, the article uses both terms. Larry Schwartz got it recently from a couple of the Philipino greats.

I guess I thought that everybody subscribed to B.D.

I think that if the ingredients had been close at hand I could have mixed a Martini in the time it took that cue ball to spin down. I have since rectified that situation.

Dave
 
do a search for backhand english,we have fought about it on here for years lol

colin does some great video clips on backhand english
 
Dave Nelson said:
... Larry Schwartz got it recently from a couple of the Philipino greats. ...
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The idea of pivoting about the bridge hand to compensate for squirt when applying side spin appeared in print with a diagram over 140 years ago. There's lots of stuff already in pool books that most pool players have no clue about. Here are some details:

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002-10.pdf
 
i dont think ive got my BD yet, ill check out his article. I cant believe he is just hearing about it. I know i first saw it on Buddy Halls videos, he called it tuck and roll. Then i first heard about it here, didnt really understand it til i saw colin colenso post up his vids about it (does colin even post here still? dont recall seeing him)

i use it sometimes, you can definitely get some sick english on a shot, i especially like using it on shots that are straight-in or when but i need to get around the table for position.
 
Dave Nelson said:
I will try

Instead of moving the cue parrallel to the straight in position to the disired english line, you pivot your cue on your bridge to bring the tip to the desired spot on the cue ball. Does that make sense?

Dave
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that's the only way i've ever done it
 
When applying left english, I use forehand english. When applying right english, I use backhand english. It just works right for me.
 
Got my BD last night in the mail, checked out the article, good read. Seems bh english always works best for me when the cueball and the object ball are fairly close together (maybe within 2 or 3 feet). If its a long shot with english i do better with parallel, seems like i judge the swerve better that way.
 
scottycoyote said:
Got my BD last night in the mail, checked out the article, good read. Seems bh english always works best for me when the cueball and the object ball are fairly close together (maybe within 2 or 3 feet). If its a long shot with english i do better with parallel, seems like i judge the swerve better that way.
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I've the same problem. But on long shots I don't use parallel, I use FHE. BHE on close shots works really well.
 
WesleyW said:
I've the same problem. But on long shots I don't use parallel, I use FHE. BHE on close shots works really well.
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enlighten me please......is FHE the same as parallel......im guessing its not.
 
scottycoyote said:
enlighten me please......is FHE the same as parallel......im guessing its not.
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No it's not. It's something between parallel and BHE. First I get in position and aim at centre hit. When you apply BHE you are moving your backhand, so the tip will move to right or left. When you are applying FHE, your backhand will stand still. You just adjust your bridge(hand) to the exact amount of english. So in theory the cue will be more diagonal compare to parallel. But will be less parallel compare to BHE.

Using parallel, you need to adjust for squirt more than when you use FHE. That's why I like FHE more than parallel.
 
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You Got It All Wrong. We Do Not Start By Aiming The Center Of The Cue Ball. Call Me At 484 623 4144 And I Will Go Through The Routine With You.

Hal Houle
 
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