Dave...The twisting I'm speaking to is the same kind of twisting motion described by Dogs Playing Pool. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Twisting your wrist
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Yeah - that "spinning" motion is corny.
A very important point.
There are just about as many ways to shoot as there are players, and many accomplished players do some unorthodox things. This doesn't make them right or wrong. It also doesn't mean students should try to learn them with the hope they will become as accomplished. Happy Gilmore can play a mean game of pool. I wouldn't try to change his mechanics, nor would I try to teach someone to play like Happy.
There are a lot of different speakers and listeners here. Knowing your audience is important. It's just as important for students to understand what's in their best interest to improve their game. They are often out of sync. Unfortunately, on-line forums can easily put a student on the wrong because of this.
My focus is to make my students, who are not elite-caliber players, successful. I do that by keeping it simple and teaching methods that immediately make a significant improvement in their skills. About half of them want to learn the front half of the game, but they can't stroke the cue. They need to learn to walk before the can learn to run. If they want to learn BHE, that's their choice and I'm OK with that, but I won't teach it and I'll explain why.
Hi all,
i know a guy here who s really a hell of a shooter-he s using BHE perfectly. But he will tell everyone that it took a very long time to work it out. And furthermore he was already an extremly good player when he started to make it work so good for him. He worked on it for a very long time until it worked repeatable for him. He would never give somebody the advice to learn it-especially for a player who hasn t got the fundamentals to have a really good and repeatable stroke.
To try to *learn* BHE without a repeatable stroke would end in a desaster in my opinion. For sure i can explain it-or better said i could. But i really don t like to recommend it.
Furthermore- if you made it work for you-and later you really decide to change to a new shaft or even a smaller diameter, in worst case from a wooden to a LD shaft or so.......your homework was nothin worth and you ll have to start your training with BHE from the beginning.
just my opinion,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
i know a guy here who s really a hell of a shooter-he s using BHE perfectly. But he will tell everyone that it took a very long time to work it out. And furthermore he was already an extremly good player when he started to make it work so good for him. He worked on it for a very long time until it worked repeatable for him. He would never give somebody the advice to learn it-especially for a player who hasn t got the fundamentals to have a really good and repeatable stroke.
To try to *learn* BHE without a repeatable stroke would end in a desaster in my opinion. For sure i can explain it-or better said i could. But i really don t like to recommend it.
Furthermore- if you made it work for you-and later you really decide to change to a new shaft or even a smaller diameter, in worst case from a wooden to a LD shaft or so.......your homework was nothin worth and you ll have to start your training with BHE from the beginning.
just my opinion,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
Just curious why you guys wouldn't teach BHE. I couldn't imagine not using it. It's definitely not right for everyone, but it's right for a lot of people (enough where it should be part of your curriculum).
Dave
Dave
I think you are right in almost all cases, because those doing it do not know that they are doing so, they have just developed a bad habit based upon a lack of fundamentals.
However, some experienced players do incorporate a twist into their wrist on certain shots consciously and intentionally. Over many years, I have observed some excellent players do this when they need to quickly get the cue ball out of the way.
Normally I have seen the wrist twist used on very very difficult bank shots more than any other time. Many years ago I even saw Bugs use this when he was attempting bring a ball back at a very very sharp angle and get the cue ball out of way. Bugs, was not the only great bank player I have seen incorporate the wrist twist.
I do not suggest making this a permanent part of anyones stroke, but I do believe that for certain rare shots there may be something to doing it.
JIMO
, that you you won t teach a guy BHE who s just a starter in pool and still has not a (or an almost) repeatable stroke.
Most of my students are beginning and intermediate league players who are not ready for BHE and need to focus on the basics.
Keep in mind that the vast majority of players haven't taken a lesson and have learned on their own or from friends. There are voids in their knowledge and skills, but they have some level of success.
They come to me when they get tired of losing and want to learn cue ball control and position play. I could teach them that, but they don't have a consistent stroke or much of a sense for speed control. Their game would probably improve, but they would still struggle. The same would be true with BHE. Once they have a stroke and fill in the gaps, then they are in a better position to learn BHE.
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Makes sense. Well said.