ye but geolocked, i set my vpn to england:
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ladbrokes odds for top outright picks
| Player | Fractional Odds |
| Fedor Gorst | 7/1 |
| Shane Van Boening | 7/1 |
| Joshua Filler | 8/1 |
| Aloysius Yapp | 12/1 |
| Carlo Biado | 12/1 |
| Francisco Sánchez Ruiz | 12/1 |
| Eklent Kaci | 16/1 |
| Robbie Capito | 16/1 |
| Jayson Shaw | 20/1 |
| Jefrey Roda | 25/1 |
| Moritz Neuhausen | 25/1 |
| AJ Manas | 28/1 |
| David Alcaide | 28/1 |
| Mario He | 28/1 |
| Alexander Kazakis | 33/1 |
| Bernie Regalario | 33/1 |
| Denis Grabe | 33/1 |
| Harry Vergara | 33/1 |
| Albert Januarta | 40/1 |
| Albin Ouschan | 40/1 |
| Jesús Atencio | 40/1 |
| Marvin Asis | 40/1 |
| Aleksa Pecelj | 50/1 |
| Jeffrey De Luna | 50/1 |
| Jonás Souto | 50/1 |
| Kledio Kaci | 50/1 |
| Konrad Juszczyszyn | 50/1 |
| Michael Baoanan | 50/1 |
| Mickey Krause | 50/1 |
| Mieszko Fortunski | 50/1 |
| Naoyuki Oi | 50/1 |
| Skyler Woodward | 50/1 |
| Wiktor Zielinski | 50/1 |
| Wojciech Szewczyk | 50/1 |
| Alex Pagulayan | 66/1 |
| Chang Yu-Lung | 66/1 |
| Chris Melling | 66/1 |
| Duong Quoc Hoang | 66/1 |
| Hsieh Chia Chen | 66/1 |
| Lee Vann Corteza | 66/1 |
| Marc Bijsterbosch | 66/1 |
| Michael Feliciano | 66/1 |
| Niels Feijen | 66/1 |
| Pijus Labutis | 66/1 |
| Cristopher Tevez | 80/1 |
| Lo Ho Sum | 80/1 |
| Max Lechner | 80/1 |
| Mustafa Alnar | 80/1 |
| Oliver Szolnoki | 80/1 |
| Petri Makkonen | 80/1 |
| Roberto Gomez | 80/1 |
| Sanjin Pehlivanovic | 80/1 |
| Tyler Styer | 80/1 |
| Wu Kun-Lin | 80/1 |
| Darren Appleton | 100/1 |
| Emil Andre Gangfløt | 100/1 |
| Roland Garcia | 100/1 |
| Thorsten Hohmann | 100/1 |
| Andri Januarta | 125/1 |
| Arseni Sevastyanov | 125/1 |
| Casper Matikainen | 125/1 |
| Elliot Sanderson | 125/1 |
| Francesco Candela | 125/1 |
| Gerson Martinez Boza | 125/1 |
| John Morra | 125/1 |
| Lin Ta-Li | 125/1 |
| Lu Hui-Chan | 125/1 |
| Nicholas Tan | 125/1 |
| Phuong Nam Pham | 125/1 |
| Raymond Linares | 125/1 |
| Szymon Kural | 125/1 |
| Vitaliy Patsura | 125/1 |
| Walter Laikre | 125/1 |
| Yannick Pongers | 125/1 |
| Antonios Kakaris | 150/1 |
| Bader Alawadhi | 150/1 |
| Billy Thorpe | 150/1 |
| Chang Tzu Chien | 150/1 |
| Chris Reinhold | 150/1 |
| Corey Deuel | 150/1 |
| Dean Shields | 150/1 |
| Dimitris Loukatos | 150/1 |
| Felix Vogel | 150/1 |
| Georgi Georgiev | 150/1 |
| Hunter Lombardo | 150/1 |
| Jan Van Lierop | 150/1 |
| Marco Teutscher | 150/1 |
| Nicholas De Leon | 150/1 |
| Omar Al Shaheen | 150/1 |
| Ralf Souquet | 150/1 |
| Sullivan Clark | 150/1 |
| BJ Ussery | 200/1 |
| Boris Ivanovski | 200/1 |
| Earl Strickland | 200/1 |
| Fraser Patrick | 200/1 |
| George Antonakis | 200/1 |
| Hubert Lopotko | 200/1 |
| Joven Bustamante | 200/1 |
| Justin Bergman | 200/1 |
| Karl Gnadeberg | 200/1 |
| Max Eberle | 200/1 |
| Nathan Childress | 200/1 |
| Niklas Dohr | 200/1 |
| Oscar Dominguez | 200/1 |
| Jeremy Jones | 300/1 |
| Johnny Archer | 300/1 |
Agreed. We do it because we enjoy it, but comparison across generations is a very inexact science, arguably even a pointless pursuit.The game is far more global today, and the depth of international talent is extraordinary. Comparing accomplishments across eras isn't always as simple as counting trophies.
here is the full list for those interested
Player Fractional Odds Fedor Gorst 7/1 Shane Van Boening 7/1 Joshua Filler 8/1 Aloysius Yapp 12/1 Carlo Biado 12/1 Francisco Sánchez Ruiz 12/1 Eklent Kaci 16/1 Robbie Capito 16/1 Jayson Shaw 20/1 Jefrey Roda 25/1 Moritz Neuhausen 25/1 AJ Manas 28/1 David Alcaide 28/1 Mario He 28/1 Alexander Kazakis 33/1 Bernie Regalario 33/1 Denis Grabe 33/1 Harry Vergara 33/1 Albert Januarta 40/1 Albin Ouschan 40/1 Jesús Atencio 40/1 Marvin Asis 40/1 Aleksa Pecelj 50/1 Jeffrey De Luna 50/1 Jonás Souto 50/1 Kledio Kaci 50/1 Konrad Juszczyszyn 50/1 Michael Baoanan 50/1 Mickey Krause 50/1 Mieszko Fortunski 50/1 Naoyuki Oi 50/1 Skyler Woodward 50/1 Wiktor Zielinski 50/1 Wojciech Szewczyk 50/1 Alex Pagulayan 66/1 Chang Yu-Lung 66/1 Chris Melling 66/1 Duong Quoc Hoang 66/1 Hsieh Chia Chen 66/1 Lee Vann Corteza 66/1 Marc Bijsterbosch 66/1 Michael Feliciano 66/1 Niels Feijen 66/1 Pijus Labutis 66/1 Cristopher Tevez 80/1 Lo Ho Sum 80/1 Max Lechner 80/1 Mustafa Alnar 80/1 Oliver Szolnoki 80/1 Petri Makkonen 80/1 Roberto Gomez 80/1 Sanjin Pehlivanovic 80/1 Tyler Styer 80/1 Wu Kun-Lin 80/1 Darren Appleton 100/1 Emil Andre Gangfløt 100/1 Roland Garcia 100/1 Thorsten Hohmann 100/1 Andri Januarta 125/1 Arseni Sevastyanov 125/1 Casper Matikainen 125/1 Elliot Sanderson 125/1 Francesco Candela 125/1 Gerson Martinez Boza 125/1 John Morra 125/1 Lin Ta-Li 125/1 Lu Hui-Chan 125/1 Nicholas Tan 125/1 Phuong Nam Pham 125/1 Raymond Linares 125/1 Szymon Kural 125/1 Vitaliy Patsura 125/1 Walter Laikre 125/1 Yannick Pongers 125/1 Antonios Kakaris 150/1 Bader Alawadhi 150/1 Billy Thorpe 150/1 Chang Tzu Chien 150/1 Chris Reinhold 150/1 Corey Deuel 150/1 Dean Shields 150/1 Dimitris Loukatos 150/1 Felix Vogel 150/1 Georgi Georgiev 150/1 Hunter Lombardo 150/1 Jan Van Lierop 150/1 Marco Teutscher 150/1 Nicholas De Leon 150/1 Omar Al Shaheen 150/1 Ralf Souquet 150/1 Sullivan Clark 150/1 BJ Ussery 200/1 Boris Ivanovski 200/1 Earl Strickland 200/1 Fraser Patrick 200/1 George Antonakis 200/1 Hubert Lopotko 200/1 Joven Bustamante 200/1 Justin Bergman 200/1 Karl Gnadeberg 200/1 Max Eberle 200/1 Nathan Childress 200/1 Niklas Dohr 200/1 Oscar Dominguez 200/1 Jeremy Jones 300/1 Johnny Archer 300/1
This is probably one of your best posts I've read in a long time.Agreed. We do it because we enjoy it, but comparison across generations is a very inexact science, arguably even a pointless pursuit.
Ultimately, when we look for the greatest, we look for who succeeded against their contemporaries most consistently. While, as you note, it's about more than trophies, what all the super-greats have in common is excellence in the high pressure situations at the majors. By generation, Greenleaf dominated his peers the most, then it was Mosconi, then Lassiter, then Sigel. More recently, it has been Shane and now it is Josh. These are the players that have mass-produced titles at the majors, especially at World Championship events.
In the end, there's no real way to compare a Filler to a Sigel. Each mass-produced major titles against the players he faced and has a resume that is mind-blowing. Best is to just appreciate both of them for what they achieved.
I’m just curious. You named the people who dominated various periods but no mention of Effren or Strickland. Is that because you don’t consider them to have dominated or that they were both in a similar time so no one stood above the others?Agreed. We do it because we enjoy it, but comparison across generations is a very inexact science, arguably even a pointless pursuit.
Ultimately, when we look for the greatest, we look for who succeeded against their contemporaries most consistently. While, as you note, it's about more than trophies, what all the super-greats have in common is excellence in the high pressure situations at the majors. By generation, Greenleaf dominated his peers the most, then it was Mosconi, then Lassiter, then Sigel. More recently, it has been Shane and now it is Josh. These are the players that have mass-produced titles at the majors, especially at World Championship events.
In the end, there's no real way to compare a Filler to a Sigel. Each mass-produced major titles against the players he faced and has a resume that is mind-blowing. Best is to just appreciate both of them for what they achieved.
I wonder if it will be live or delayed.The US Open Final will air on ESPN 2.
You didn't mention Earl.Agreed. We do it because we enjoy it, but comparison across generations is a very inexact science, arguably even a pointless pursuit.
Ultimately, when we look for the greatest, we look for who succeeded against their contemporaries most consistently. While, as you note, it's about more than trophies, what all the super-greats have in common is excellence in the high pressure situations at the majors. By generation, Greenleaf dominated his peers the most, then it was Mosconi, then Lassiter, then Sigel. More recently, it has been Shane and now it is Josh. These are the players that have mass-produced titles at the majors, especially at World Championship events.
In the end, there's no real way to compare a Filler to a Sigel. Each mass-produced major titles against the players he faced and has a resume that is mind-blowing. Best is to just appreciate both of them for what they achieved.
Who makes those odds???? Nick DeLeon at 150/1 while Bustamante, Oscar, Bergman, et. are at 200/1. It must be based off some kind of rankings?here is the full list for those interested
Player Fractional Odds Fedor Gorst 7/1 Shane Van Boening 7/1 Joshua Filler 8/1 Aloysius Yapp 12/1 Carlo Biado 12/1 Francisco Sánchez Ruiz 12/1 Eklent Kaci 16/1 Robbie Capito 16/1 Jayson Shaw 20/1 Jefrey Roda 25/1 Moritz Neuhausen 25/1 AJ Manas 28/1 David Alcaide 28/1 Mario He 28/1 Alexander Kazakis 33/1 Bernie Regalario 33/1 Denis Grabe 33/1 Harry Vergara 33/1 Albert Januarta 40/1 Albin Ouschan 40/1 Jesús Atencio 40/1 Marvin Asis 40/1 Aleksa Pecelj 50/1 Jeffrey De Luna 50/1 Jonás Souto 50/1 Kledio Kaci 50/1 Konrad Juszczyszyn 50/1 Michael Baoanan 50/1 Mickey Krause 50/1 Mieszko Fortunski 50/1 Naoyuki Oi 50/1 Skyler Woodward 50/1 Wiktor Zielinski 50/1 Wojciech Szewczyk 50/1 Alex Pagulayan 66/1 Chang Yu-Lung 66/1 Chris Melling 66/1 Duong Quoc Hoang 66/1 Hsieh Chia Chen 66/1 Lee Vann Corteza 66/1 Marc Bijsterbosch 66/1 Michael Feliciano 66/1 Niels Feijen 66/1 Pijus Labutis 66/1 Cristopher Tevez 80/1 Lo Ho Sum 80/1 Max Lechner 80/1 Mustafa Alnar 80/1 Oliver Szolnoki 80/1 Petri Makkonen 80/1 Roberto Gomez 80/1 Sanjin Pehlivanovic 80/1 Tyler Styer 80/1 Wu Kun-Lin 80/1 Darren Appleton 100/1 Emil Andre Gangfløt 100/1 Roland Garcia 100/1 Thorsten Hohmann 100/1 Andri Januarta 125/1 Arseni Sevastyanov 125/1 Casper Matikainen 125/1 Elliot Sanderson 125/1 Francesco Candela 125/1 Gerson Martinez Boza 125/1 John Morra 125/1 Lin Ta-Li 125/1 Lu Hui-Chan 125/1 Nicholas Tan 125/1 Phuong Nam Pham 125/1 Raymond Linares 125/1 Szymon Kural 125/1 Vitaliy Patsura 125/1 Walter Laikre 125/1 Yannick Pongers 125/1 Antonios Kakaris 150/1 Bader Alawadhi 150/1 Billy Thorpe 150/1 Chang Tzu Chien 150/1 Chris Reinhold 150/1 Corey Deuel 150/1 Dean Shields 150/1 Dimitris Loukatos 150/1 Felix Vogel 150/1 Georgi Georgiev 150/1 Hunter Lombardo 150/1 Jan Van Lierop 150/1 Marco Teutscher 150/1 Nicholas De Leon 150/1 Omar Al Shaheen 150/1 Ralf Souquet 150/1 Sullivan Clark 150/1 BJ Ussery 200/1 Boris Ivanovski 200/1 Earl Strickland 200/1 Fraser Patrick 200/1 George Antonakis 200/1 Hubert Lopotko 200/1 Joven Bustamante 200/1 Justin Bergman 200/1 Karl Gnadeberg 200/1 Max Eberle 200/1 Nathan Childress 200/1 Niklas Dohr 200/1 Oscar Dominguez 200/1 Jeremy Jones 300/1 Johnny Archer 300/1
My age, my eyes, my back my.......Just say it. "I don't practice like I used to"!!I agree! He'll still beat anybody who gets in is way if his break is working..., and anybody in the USA other than SVB.
Question? Did I miss something or were "Premium" tickets not offered? When I went on to buy tickets the only ones were general admission. That was 3 months ago.Yup, Bill, I'm headed to the US Open 9ball. First five days of a Matchroom major usually has no primary arena, and I tend to focus on the outer tables. No idea where I'll be sitting on day six.
Yeah, I kind of left out the 1990s, where Efren, Strickland, Archer were the dominant players. It is arguable whether any of them dominated in the way that those named in my post did. Interestingly enough, both Efren and Earl offered that Mike Sigel was the best pool player they had ever seen and their toughest ever opponent.I’m just curious. You named the people who dominated various periods but no mention of Effren or Strickland. Is that because you don’t consider them to have dominated or that they were both in a similar time so no one stood above the others?
Who makes those odds???? Nick DeLeon at 150/1 while Bustamante, Oscar, Bergman, et. are at 200/1. It must be based off some kind of rankings?
See post #96You didn't mention Earl.
They were offered but sold out very quickly.Question? Did I miss something or were "Premium" tickets not offered? When I went on to buy tickets the only ones were general admission. That was 3 months ago.
Big Salsa.Who makes those odds???? Nick DeLeon at 150/1 while Bustamante, Oscar, Bergman, et. are at 200/1. It must be based off some kind of rankings?