I think the constant and re-occurring B.S. surrounding the US Open needs to come to an end. That is either going to happen by it dying, or someone else running it. Barry has the best of intentions but he is no longer equipped to run this caliber of tournament.
U.S. Open Checks Bounced???
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I think the constant and re-occurring B.S. surrounding the US Open needs to come to an end. That is either going to happen by it dying, or someone else running it. Barry has the best of intentions but he is no longer equipped to run this caliber of tournament.
As opposed to a billiard streaming network of some kind?
I was there. It was a packed house.
That's some third party uploading to youtube. It could get nuked at any time.
Accu-stats charged people to watch the match, but lately it seems some people are recording the streams and putting them on youtube.
It would be nice if some day pool reached the point where it was profitable to just put up the matches for free (and live) but we're not there yet.
So my question is, who from AZ would like to volunteer at the open next year? You know, take over 10 days off from work, come be yelled at and treated like shit by Barry and then not get paid at the end of it? Then have him not answer or return phone calls......That happened to people this year, at least the players got a bad check lol.
I'm there..send me a round trip ticket that inclueds room with three meals a day..
of coarse I'll need to CHECK res..first.
It appears that you have no clue what you are talking about. Sorry but you are wrong on almost everything and suggesting things that everyone knows and have been trying to make happen.
Insane
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane.
This tournament has been the cream of the crop for US events for such a long time.
Unfortunately, it does seem to me that the event has squandered the opportunity to be the symbol of what the Sport needs to be, as far as representing itself to the public. With the ongoing controversy that continues to surround the event, there is no wondering as to why there is no major TV or press coverage.
What the event has established is a legacy of history as far as the accomplishments of the players. And being Open means anyone with the money can compete. How many players that have found great honor in just cashing in the event? I helped several players, years ago, to compete in the Open because of the prestige of being a participant. And it was a pleasure in doing so.
I truly know what it is like to stage a big event. The planning is very time consuming and at post time, you hope the show you have invested in staging is a success. I could never say I know the in's and out's of the production of the US Open, but for the same thing to happen year in and year out is crazy.
The general view from the public's eye would be a disheartening one for those of us who care about the Sport. This situation, regardless of excuses on this and that's, it another black mark for pool.
There seems to be a lack of vision from the promoters as to how important keeping a clean slate for this spectacular event means to all of us.
It is just another set back for our Sport to rise up out of the doldrums of being viewed as some backroom game.
What a shameful end to what I am sure was probably a great event.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane.
This tournament has been the cream of the crop for US events for such a long time.
Unfortunately, it does seem to me that the event has squandered the opportunity to be the symbol of what the Sport needs to be, as far as representing itself to the public. With the ongoing controversy that continues to surround the event, there is no wondering as to why there is no major TV or press coverage.
What the event has established is a legacy of history as far as the accomplishments of the players. And being Open means anyone with the money can compete. How many players that have found great honor in just cashing in the event? I helped several players, years ago, to compete in the Open because of the prestige of being a participant. And it was a pleasure in doing so.
I truly know what it is like to stage a big event. The planning is very time consuming and at post time, you hope the show you have invested in staging is a success. I could never say I know the in's and out's of the production of the US Open, but for the same thing to happen year in and year out is crazy.
The general view from the public's eye would be a disheartening one for those of us who care about the Sport. This situation, regardless of excuses on this and that's, it another black mark for pool.
There seems to be a lack of vision from the promoters as to how important keeping a clean slate for this spectacular event means to all of us.
It is just another set back for our Sport to rise up out of the doldrums of being viewed as some backroom game.
What a shameful end to what I am sure was probably a great event.
I'm not entirely sure, but I believe the going rate is shareing a room with another person working, and getting yourself there and home on your own dime.
SOLUTION TO PEOPLE NOT GETTING PAID.
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY FOR ALL OF POOL in the USA, NOT 7 OR 10
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY GUARANTEEING ALL TOURNAMENT WINNINGS, WITH FUNDS GUARANTEED BY PRE DEPOSITED INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY, HAVING ONE SET OF RULES FOR ALL POOL TOURNAMENTS
Could this idea work? IMHO Good chance When was the last time Winners got Bad, or No Pay at a PGA, or LPGA EVENT?
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY FOR ALL OF POOL in the USA, NOT 7 OR 10
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY GUARANTEEING ALL TOURNAMENT WINNINGS, WITH FUNDS GUARANTEED BY PRE DEPOSITED INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT
ONE POOL GOVERNING BODY, HAVING ONE SET OF RULES FOR ALL POOL TOURNAMENTS
Could this idea work? IMHO Good chance When was the last time Winners got Bad, or No Pay at a PGA, or LPGA EVENT?
Coming from the guy who thinks the ABP started Bonus Ball, makes me wonder if you actually know a thing about any pool related matters or if you just make this crap up on the fly.
Chris...I too am an independent contractor. While I get paid immediately when I do a lesson or pool school, doing exhibitions at colleges & universities I generally have to wait 30+ days to get paid (60-90 days for the military). Years ago it was different. Jack White was almost always paid onsite, and it worked that way for me too, for several years after I took over his tour. I also have to front my own expenses...but it's part of the "cost of doing business", especially when you're doing something you really love! LOL
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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And this would be all fine for the US Open and any major event if the players knew it going in. Just draft a contract and all players have to sign it and agree on the terms.
AARRGHHHH I am being sucked in by this AGAIN. Next year I promise to simply buy the PPV and not discuss the tournament with anyone. Grrrrr.
Thats all well and good for both Renfro and Scott that you are contracted and get paid in 30-60 days. That is the deal you made with the people you work for. Shane or any of the others made that deal before they left to play the event. That to me is the big difference here.
kwakaa...Sorry man, but I had to laugh reading your post. There isn't a big enough gun to "force" anybody you mentioned to do anything about anything. Also...using the words "Charlie Williams" and "selfless contributions to the pool world" equal only one thing...an OXYMORON! ROTFLMAO CW is out for CW...and nobody else. He continues to prove that again and again...with his actions (or inactions, depending on how you look at it)!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Jesters...Yep, and the biggest difference is that Chris and I have SIGNED CONTRACTS for the work we do...BEFORE we do it. So we know we will get paid...or at least we would have legal recourse! Perhaps the players should seek that as a partial solution.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Have you ever played in a tournament where you asked the TD to sign a contract before you paid your entry? Thats just silly nobody does that. Having a governing body that requires the money or a contract up front may make more sense.