From Ursitti archives. Just stumbled across this. Kinda cool. https://www.scribd.com/document/274472925/History-of-Pool-1980-1989
U.S. pool tournaments '80-'89
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Deno Andrews was helping Charlie with both pool and carom records. Here are all of the Scribd files, so far as I know:
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The 80’s were a great time for pro pool fans in the Chicago area. I was at most of those local tournaments.
Miss those days. Thanks for the list.
Miss those days. Thanks for the list.
Outta be a 'sticky' imo. some great historic data.Deno Andrews was helping Charlie with both pool and carom records. Here are all of the Scribd files, so far as I know:
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Why are there are No Paul Heubler Cup events Listed in the 80-89 section?
Must be a reason.
Must be a reason.
Do you have any dates for the Huebler Cups? Year?
Charlie seems to have been working on the pool records in 2008. He would likely have been working from publications. If the results didn't appear in print when they happened, they might have been forgotten. Many events never bothered to send the results to anyone.
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with older rules, no jumping, slow tables, and changing conditions you find the fields of winners much more diversified than nowadays.
just coincidence or are the top players so much better. or the playing conditions more conducive to the consistent.
Bob? what do you think?
and the rest of the forum.
just coincidence or are the top players so much better. or the playing conditions more conducive to the consistent.
Bob? what do you think?
and the rest of the forum.
Well, jumping was allowed but Earl and Mike Massey were about the only ones I remember doing it. Full cues, of course.
There were years that one player dominated. It's not clear that has changed. What has changed is that there are so many now that have a chance to win events.
It would be interesting to see if AtLarge could do a comparison of performance between back then and now.
I don't think the tables were that much harder to play on in the 1980s due to the cloth.
I know the 4th one of their events was in Palm Springs.
The trophy heading.
Paul Huebler's 4th USA 9-Ball Cup Men's Division.
pockets were 'roomy' to say the least. even with with slower cloth i'd have to say they were easier than today's stuff. the pool then was still far more fun to play and watch.
All the issues of The National Billiard News are available online in the "Goldmine" link on the AZB homepage. Maybe there's some record of the series there. I looked briefly through some and didn't see anything in the event calendar listings.
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Pauls events results/pics came thru a billiard paper, might of been N.B.N.
One event.... Pauls 4th was held the weekend after the pros in Reno. 89
One event.... Pauls 4th was held the weekend after the pros in Reno. 89
Check out the magazines in the Goldmine. That's your best chance. Even if the Huebler events aren't there, it's a good read to see all the players and tournaments from that time.
pockets were larger and more forgiving on most tables. but with slower cloth and no air conditioning tables played much slower. so you had to have a stronger stroke to get around.
i believe in total it also made for less advantage for the very top players in general against those close to them in speed.
that amy be q reason why the results of tournaments were not totally dominated by the top ten players in the world or entries into the tournament.
i believe in total it also made for less advantage for the very top players in general against those close to them in speed.
that amy be q reason why the results of tournaments were not totally dominated by the top ten players in the world or entries into the tournament.
I don't believe this to be true. Back in the late 1980's, at the majors, Strickland, Sigel, Varner, Hall, Reyes and Archer dominated as a group. There were few Cinderella stories at the majors comparable to last year's Spanish Open, in which Jinhu Dang and Marc Bijsterbosch found themselves in the final.
For every super-straight shooter at 9ball back then, there are five today, and they are doing it on much tighter equipment. So, yes, in my opinion today's players are much better than their counterparts of yesteryear. In defensive play, however, I think the two best players of all time were Reyes and Varner, and I feel that in the current generation of players, only Pagulayan is in the conversation with them for best-ever defensive player.
That said, one's greatness can only be measured by performance against one's contemporaries. Who is best at 9ball between Lassiter, Sigel, Varner, Gorst and Filler? The question is unanswerable. Each frequently prevailed against fields they faced and all are rightly viewed as having attained the highest possible level.
I felt Sammy Jones (LJ's first husband) was the best jumper back then.