Ugly Fact-

John Disque said:
I write in large text because I know a lot of people who have bad eyesight. My books are published in oversize text for the same reason.

As for using colors ---- I first did it just to experiment and see what was possible. I continue to do it because it seems to piss off chumps who get hung-up on irrelevant, trivial crap (Like a natural-weed-eater - I know whose comments are relevant and who is useless.)
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So, you can go blind jerking other people off too? That explains why you write so big
Jason
 
I don't bet on coin-tosses or circle-jerks for Youtube.

If you, and many people like you, are afraid of finding out who REALLY has more heart and talent... I can only laugh at you and tell you to enjoy your America-bashing while it lasts...
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So far it's lasted a whole decade with no end in sight lol.

Why do you even call it america bashing?
Just because I don't put on reality blinders doesn't mean I hate america.
I'd love to see the USA win a cup. I'm just realistic about their chances.

Thinking our team's the best just because they're american is about as logical as thinking
someone's the best because they're white.

My sister could win a race to five, alt-breaks, against anyone in the world.
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yeah? so if SVB lags her, is she gonna get first break as consistently as he does?
And if svb wins the lag, that means one of the best breakers on the planet is guaranteed 5 breaks in that race,
...but you still think she gets to 5 first?

And you think she can not only win, she can win that set ELEVEN TIMES out of 21 attempts?

Get real.
 
Chicagoplayer said:
Jim Wych and Jerry Forsyth pointed out the statistic that Team USA hasn't won a day in over 3 Mosconi Cups. (13 matches at the time)

Harsh truth... :frown:
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Team Europe has now won 15 days of play in a row -- all 3 days in 2013 and all 4 days in each of 2014 through 2016: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5749332&postcount=15

Bella Don't Cry said:
... Other statics include:
Europe has now one more racks since the the MC began
Europe have now won more matches since the MC began
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The only stat left is USA overall wins, which we all know won't last for long...
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It now stands at:

Cups -- 11-11 plus one tie
Matches -- 229-228 Europe (+1 match, winning percentage of 50.1%)
Games -- 2,087-2,040 Europe (+47 games, 50.6%)

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5747316&postcount=63

John Disque said:
*Shane has entered 10 US Opens and won 5 of them
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Here's Shane Van Boening's 12-year record in the US Open 9-Ball Championship:

2005 -- 25th/32nd, $1,750
2006 -- 33rd/48th, $1,000
2007 -- 1st, $50,000
2008 -- 17th/24th, $2,000
2009 -- 9th/12th, $4,000
2010 -- 9th/12th, $3,000
2011 -- 17th/24th, $2,000
2012 -- 1st, $25,000
2013 -- 1st, $30,000
2014 -- 1st, $30,000
2015 -- 25th/32nd, $2,250
2016 -- 1st, $50,000

CreeDo said:
...Or try looking at it by rack count instead. Here's europe vs USA, over the last few years.
2014: 60-45
2015: 77-65
2016: 63-41 ...
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Your counts for 2014 are after Day 3 rather than at the end. It ended at 70-49.
 
Color Blind

John Disque said:
I write in large text because I know a lot of people who have bad eyesight. My books are published in oversize text for the same reason.

As for using colors ---- I first did it just to experiment and see what was possible. I continue to do it because it seems to piss off chumps who get hung-up on irrelevant, trivial crap (Like a natural-weed-eater - I know whose comments are relevant and who is useless.)
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I STAND CORRECTED. Color blind. :confused::eek::boring2:

SIZE DOES MATTER.
 
John Disque said:
*I believe the overall Mosc. Cup match-score is 127-127.
(Did Wych point out that stat?)

*When you have a race to five, alternate-breaks, against some of the best in Europe, you may-as well be having a coin-flipping contest and the format favors the weaker team.

*Everyone is talking about expanding the Mosconi Cup. Make it a race to 13 winner-breaks and you will see who the best players/team REALLY are.

*Shane has entered 10 US Opens and won 5 of them - against the best in the world... Not just against a couple snooker-players.
(Did Wych point out that stat?)

*The pairing of Sky/Justin playing Scotch doubles has never been beat and I seriously doubt that any two players can beat these two in a long race, for the cash.

*Mike Dechaine has won more money gambling than all European players combined.

*I'm not down on the European players - I think they have an incredible amount of "potting skills" but if you use this one cartoon-tournament as your entire gauge to judge the skill-level of all American or European players - it's stupid. -- The Mosconi Cup is exciting but it's nothing but a quick-fix for YouTube junkies.
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I have no idea what you wrote but your posts look like Christmas trees
 
vjmehra said:
How many major recognised international tournaments have US players won recently? Other than SVB does anyone realistically stand a chance against top international players? For comparison the Europeans have (I think) 3 World Champions on their team?
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A minor correction, but team Europe had 4 out of 5 players with World Championship titles to their name (you might have missed Jayson's World 8b title, videos of which are on youtube).

So that's 80% of team Europe were World Champions, including repeat winners and the reigning 9 Ball World Champion.

Team USA on the other hand, is made of 0% World Champions, isn't it?
 
Jaden said:
When will the format, tables etc change and the erroneous bashing of American pool playing stop?

The truth of the matter is that the top Americans play as good as the top anyone when you're talking about the top 4 or 5 of any country.

There are several problems with the Mosconi cup format that favors the Euros. The loose pockets, short races, etc, make it a crap shoot at best.

There is a psychological factor that no one seems to mention either. That being, this is huge in Europe, live broadcast, many fans (unruly fans at that). That gives Europe a huge advantage, even when it's being played in the US where players can walk into most pool rooms and not be recognized.

The Mosconi Cup is what it is. Barry puts it on and produces it and he's going to produce it in such a way that benefits his pocket book the most, so I wouldn't expect longer races or more professional table setups any time soon until the numbers stop showing up to watch it.

Also, I wouldn't expect Asia, or other teams to be considered any time soon. The Euros love to watch their people beat up on Americans for a change. Besides, it's named after an American player.

The problem comes when idjits come on and try to make this out to be the defacto standard for who are the best players. A race to 5 on loose conditions that can be MORE difficult to play on for people less used to those conditions and starting from a detrimental psychological position.

These aren't excuses, they're reasons, the US should still be right there with the Euros regardless and there are other reasons as well why they're not at this time.

That still doesn't mean that the Euros are better than the Americans and to suggest that while not looking at other deficiencies or things like the majority of team Europe living and primarily playing in the US against US competition, is laughable.

Jaden
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Well said.
I think there's a lot of people here who simply hate America and, at the same time they simply DO NOT understand pool... They're just lonely little trolls who know they're going to get a response to their banger-posts and that's what they live for.

Tell Hearn to put up 6 figures, make it (the sets) a race to 13, WINNER BREAKS, on Diamond tables and let's do it all again.

HE (HEARN) HAS ACTION!
 
Jaden said:
When will the format, tables etc change and the erroneous bashing of American pool playing stop?

The truth of the matter is that the top Americans play as good as the top anyone when you're talking about the top 4 or 5 of any country.
NO. Just no. Shane yes, not the others.
There are several problems with the Mosconi cup format that favors the Euros. The loose pockets, short races, etc, make it a crap shoot at best.
Really? A crap shoot? Well, you'd expect it to be a bit more even then.
There is a psychological factor that no one seems to mention either. That being, this is huge in Europe, live broadcast, many fans (unruly fans at that). That gives Europe a huge advantage, even when it's being played in the US where players can walk into most pool rooms and not be recognized.
No, it isn't. Pool players aren't celebrities in Europe any more than in the US, and this is not being broadcast on major networks in good time slots, anyway, but on obscure channels. I had to watch this on Youtube, like you yourself probably did. Yes the Euro fans are loud, even when the Euro players are shooting....
The Mosconi Cup is what it is. Barry puts it on and produces it and he's going to produce it in such a way that benefits his pocket book the most, so I wouldn't expect longer races or more professional table setups any time soon until the numbers stop showing up to watch it.
No network in the Western world is going to show long races of any pool game! Why is this so hard to understand? We're lucky these are not races to 3!
Also, I wouldn't expect Asia, or other teams to be considered any time soon. The Euros love to watch their people beat up on Americans for a change. Besides, it's named after an American player.
Think again. Nobody likes to see a slaughter like the last years. It just isn't good viewing.
The problem comes when idjits come on and try to make this out to be the defacto standard for who are the best players. A race to 5 on loose conditions that can be MORE difficult to play on for people less used to those conditions and starting from a detrimental psychological position.
The defacto standards are set in WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. Not US barbox opens. Europe could easily put together a team of all WPC champions at any time. They wouldn't all be 50+ years old, either. Mosconi cup is just entertainment. Doesn't mean it's meaningless.
These aren't excuses, they're reasons, the US should still be right there with the Euros regardless and there are other reasons as well why they're not at this time.
They aren't good enough, and Shane can't get it together. Those are the reasons. Shane should be right at the top, but he can't play well in the Mosconi cup. Ask him why that is, because I don't think anyone else can answer that.
That still doesn't mean that the Euros are better than the Americans and to suggest that while not looking at other deficiencies or things like the majority of team Europe living and primarily playing in the US against US competition, is laughable.

Jaden
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European players are living in the US because they can make a living there. The Eurotour is actually extremely tough, but the costs are high and the price money is low. Combine that with having to stay at the "partner" hotels etc, and it just isn't worth it financially. Even if you win you barely break even on expenses, unless you live at the tour stop.
 
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John Disque said:

Well said.
I think there's a lot of people here who simply hate America and, at the same time they simply DO NOT understand pool... They're just lonely little trolls who know they're going to get a response to their banger-posts and that's what they live for.

Tell Hearn to put up 6 figures, make it (the sets) a race to 13, WINNER BREAKS, on Diamond tables and let's do it all again.

HE (HEARN) HAS ACTION!
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More blah, blah, blah.

He did put up 6 fiqures you idiot.
Jason
 
John Disque said:

Well said.
I think there's a lot of people here who simply hate America and, at the same time they simply DO NOT understand pool... They're just lonely little trolls who know they're going to get a response to their banger-posts and that's what they live for.

Tell Hearn to put up 6 figures, make it (the sets) a race to 13, WINNER BREAKS, on Diamond tables and let's do it all again.

HE (HEARN) HAS ACTION!
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Though I think Europe would win in this format too, I would enjoy watching all the good pool.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
European players are living in the US because they can make a living there. The Eurotour is actually extremely tough, but the costs are high and the price money is low. Combine that with having to stay at the "partner" hotels etc, and it just isn't worth it financially. Even if you win you barely break even on expenses, unless you live at the tour stop.
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Looks to me like - YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING EXCUSES!
 
I think the Euros would love to make it a race to 3... and keep their sponge-rails, bring in even more obnoxious fans who have zero class and respect for the game and let's give them every chance they NEED!

Let's just give them the 7-ball... After-all... we're the big bad America that everyone hates and everyone deserves a chance.

And, when it's all over - let's give them a hug and tell them we're sorry.
 
John Disque said:
I think the Euros would love to make it a race to 3... and keep their sponge-rails, bring in even more obnoxious fans who have zero class and respect for the game and let's give them every chance they NEED!

Let's just give them the 7-ball... After-all... we're the big bad America that everyone hates and everyone deserves a chance.

And, when it's all over - let's give them a hug and tell them we're sorry.
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You sir are the worst LOSER I've EVER seen
Jason
 
John Disque said:
I think the Euros would love to make it a race to 3... and keep their sponge-rails, bring in even more obnoxious fans who have zero class and respect for the game and let's give them every chance they NEED!

Let's just give them the 7-ball... After-all... we're the big bad America that everyone hates and everyone deserves a chance.

And, when it's all over - let's give them a hug and tell them we're sorry.
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I am officially voting for this to be the most idiotic post of the year
Jason
 
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