Understanding Cue Shaft Flexibility

MitchAlsup said:
This is where you are W R O N G.

When the flexible shaft bends it takes longer to release the energy than the cue-tip is in contact with the CB;
and thus, cannot deliver that energy to CB.

Tip is in contact with CB for only 1-2 milliseconds
Yet, your eye can see the bending and unbending--and your eye has a response time of 1/10th of a second. 50-100 times slower.
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I think he means the vibration afterwards. If you cannot see it but you can sure feel it. It's why I prefer wood.

I'm sure everyone have been handed cues before and did a vibration test. Just bang it up against your palm and you will see how much it wiggles.
 
iusedtoberich said:
So this is the difference between AZB and the other social media outlets such as FB, Youtube comments, and Reddit. On here, if someone posts BS, they get called out on it. We have this thread and the tip hardness thread, both by the same OP. If he were to post the same on the other social media platforms, he'd probably be called a hero on those.

The same thing happened with the guy last week that started a directory of pool rooms website. Sure, it is a very well meaning idea. But here on AZB we've seen it all, and know it won't work. On the other platforms, he was getting praise and missing data to complete his list.
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That's coz we aren't an assortment of people who like pool.

We are a specific type of pool players who don't like people!
 
billiards_watch said:
If you search this site you will see many, many users that have the same experience with a flexible shaft and Meucci being the most famous one. I currently have a shaft from China that is super flexible too. It sucks LOL.
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The "whip" does nothing. It might feel like it does. Heck, it may even fit the user's stroke profile so they can get more spin. That said, anything you can do with a Meucci, other guys can do with a regular shaft. Meucci has always had a kind of "look at how it spins the balls" type of allure. But it was/is mainly marketing and just the feel it imparts. The shaft deflecting so much to me feels really bad. Can I load up a CB with it? Sure... but I can also load a CB up with a less whippy shaft.

Back when it came out there weren't many LD type shafts and Meucci was lower deflection by the nature of it being whippy. Just this fact alone made it feel like it could do more when 13mm tips and canadian rock hard maple was the flavor of the day.

I understand the story, I've heard it before and in pool feel and mindset can be a huge thing. They have a different feeling hit is all. It's preference. Some like it, some hate it.
 
Bob Jewett said:
On the relation of shaft stiffness to spin...

Many years ago, I got a Schuler carom cue. Very stiff, conical taper. Boy, did it spin the ball. In hindsight I attribute that to the somewhat smaller tip than I was normally using at the time and that I was spinning carom balls. Very, very stiff.
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It’s amazing you mention this Bob. As I was reading the OP I was thinking about Schuler cues in capable hands. And poof I just read this post of yours.

I have a friend who is a very very gifted player, he played pro speed in his prime. He can get as much sauce on the ball as anyone ever-with the stiffest cue and hardest tip ever.

I have an old $150 Schuler cue, stiff as possible. And even I can spin the rock real good with it.

Take care
Fatboy😃
 
iusedtoberich said:
So this is the difference between AZB and the other social media outlets such as FB, Youtube comments, and Reddit. On here, if someone posts BS, they get called out on it. We have this thread and the tip hardness thread, both by the same OP. If he were to post the same on the other social media platforms, he'd probably be called a hero on those.

The same thing happened with the guy last week that started a directory of pool rooms website. Sure, it is a very well meaning idea. But here on AZB we've seen it all, and know it won't work. On the other platforms, he was getting praise and missing data to complete his list.
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We ain’t milk drinker's.

Fatboy<——-likes ice creme
 
garczar said:
Smaller tip allowed more offset thus more juice. I hit a 3c cue once and it was like a railroad tie. Way to stiff for pool weight/size balls. Guess it would be necessary for hitting the big 3c boulders.
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A smaller tip allows you to better SEE the offset better.
You can get the same offset with a 15mm tip. Its just harder to see the the tip to CB relationship.

Between 9mm and 15mm tips with the same radius, the chalk patch is the same size.

How does a smaller tip produce more spin with the exact same exact contact surface area?
 
I need to get a hold of my buddy's Meucci and stroll down memory lane. I use to win so many tournaments using his cue.

Last time I saw it the inlays were popping out.
 
3kushn said:
A smaller tip allows you to better SEE the offset better.
You can get the same offset with a 15mm tip. Its just harder to see the the tip to CB relationship.

Between 9mm and 15mm tips with the same radius, the chalk patch is the same size.

How does a smaller tip produce more spin with the exact same exact contact surface area?
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Granted the difference is small but you can go further out with a 11mm than you can a 13 before a miscue. That's my experience anyway. Have always hated anything 12.7 just for feel reasons. I'm sure you and your buddy PJ will tell me i'm all wet, that's ok i'm used to his pedantic lectures.
 
Brother Ron said:

2. Energy Storage and Release​

When a player strikes the cue ball with a whippy shaft, the following occurs:

  • Compression: As the tip of the cue makes contact with the cue ball, both the tip and the shaft compress slightly due to the impact.
  • Energy Storage: The flexible nature of a whippy shaft allows it to store some of this energy as it bends.
  • Release of Energy: Once the initial compression occurs and the cue ball starts moving, the stored energy in the flexing shaft is released. This release can add additional speed and spin to the cue ball beyond what is provided solely by the player’s stroke.
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Let us consider that you might be right and that whippier shafts deliver more energy and more spin to CB.

If that were correct, then an even whippier shaft would deliver even more energy and even more spin.
So a shaft which is uniformly 9mm in diameter from the tip to within 1" of the joint would be even better ?!? Yes ?!?
How about 6mm
How about 3mm

See, the whole direction of your argument FAILs when taken to extremes--which means the underlying theory is plainly WRONG or that there is a shaft diameter below which your argument does not hold.

I suggest that shaft diameter is 25mm or so for balls about the weight of Pool Balls. As the shaft gets smaller than 25mm, down to about 12-13mm performance improves (manly due to loss of mass with smaller diameters while remaining adequately stiff) and there comes a time where performance starts to decrease because the shaft is now insufficiently stiff.
 
its a scientific fact you all are overlooking here.

its like a bow and arrow. the arrow is the cueball going to the target

the bow, like a whippy shaft flexes back and releases large amounts of power, which in turn send the arrow forward at great speed.

same as a whippy shaft.

and that extra energy imparts more force on the cue ball so naturally it also imparts more spin.

so there you have it you non believer bangers.
 
billiards_watch said:
I need to get a hold of my buddy's Meucci and stroll down memory lane. I use to win so many tournaments using his cue.

Last time I saw it the inlays were popping out.
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Once in a while, I'll pull out one of my Meuccis to get that oh so Meucci stroke going!
 
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