Unexpected Results of Service

Buy a custom with two shafts and then u can send one back to the builder for service while shooting with the other.

There are many competent builders here, I recommend you look up Chris Byrne.
 
A very unlikely scenario, IMO. Especially given that you state the work is by "well respected cue service guy". Your scenario COULD play out with a novice, but it's very unlikely someone with experience would do this. Accidents CAN happen, but that's a risk we take every day we get out of bed and go do stuff. :D
If you have an oddball pin, (bad idea) make sure your repair person has one too.
Ask them how they trim the excess from the sides of the tip.... that's a dead giveaway in my opinion. If they use the single point cutter on their lathe, or simply sand the sides, chances are good your shaft may suffer some ferrule diameter loss, or worse. There may be some exceptions, but a blade is the pro's method.
 
Right you are Sheldon. Razor blade is the best way to go. Another piece of advice I would give is ask if the service provider will let you watch him do a few tips, ferrules, cleanings etc to see how well he does and how he does it. Most of what I have learned about cue repair has been from watching repair guys and cuemakers working at tournaments. I've gotten a lot of great advice on doing the work and different products to use.

Remember this, most cue workers (repair or makers) take a lot of pride in what they do. This means that they shouldn't have a problem with you watching them work on a couple shafts as long as you aren't going to be annoying. Thats just simple courtesy. After seeing a few people do some work you'll get a good idea of who the best person for your cue is.

Good Luck
Dave
 
DiamondDave said:
Right you are Sheldon. Razor blade is the best way to go. Another piece of advice I would give is ask if the service provider will let you watch him do a few tips, ferrules, cleanings etc to see how well he does and how he does it. Most of what I have learned about cue repair has been from watching repair guys and cuemakers working at tournaments. I've gotten a lot of great advice on doing the work and different products to use.

Remember this, most cue workers (repair or makers) take a lot of pride in what they do. This means that they shouldn't have a problem with you watching them work on a couple shafts as long as you aren't going to be annoying. Thats just simple courtesy. After seeing a few people do some work you'll get a good idea of who the best person for your cue is.

Good Luck
Dave
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Sometimes plexiglass is your friend.... See you in Carlisle Dave...
 
Shevek said:
As of yet, no one has addressed the specific issue of more than one type of pin with the same "designation". In my scenario, if the repair guy used an old school 3/8-10 maintenance pin on a shaft for a cue that has the newer 3/8-10 flat faced pin, could that cause the fit to loosen up?
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No. Although I have individual drivers for each thread, they are interchangeable.

Using the old style 3/8-10 driver on a shaft with a 3/8-10 Flat Bottom thread will not harm anything.

The pitch & major diameter of each pin is identical. Only the minor diameter is different - and that is essentially clearance.
 
Shevek said:
These comments were helpful. Thank you for the info.



That's what I am doing here - my homework. What better place to ask questions? My intention is to be prepared and have the info I need when I visit a repair person. I have enough common sense, that I already know everything that you said that was non-specific. How about helping me out by giving some specific information? It's rather pointless to tell me in one breath "it's just like getting my brakes fixed", then in another breath, "compare prices", without telling me what prices you charge.



I'm thinking I'd rather arm myself with the information I need to avoid the problem in the first place. This is like the auto mechanic who - no, worse than the auto mechanic who starts replacing parts randomly because he doesn't really know what the problem is. Later he can always try a different "fix" - I don't think so.





These kinds of comments are not helpful. At best they are something that can be misunderstood as an insult since it can be difficult to interpret tone when reading the written word. At worst they are intentionally rude and show a lack of manners and respect, and a lack of concern for people not "in the know" - people like me, who are simply trying to educate themselves. Just because I imagined a situation, then casually asked the question, "is this a realistic possibility" on a message board, does not make me a googan, nor does it imply permission to be rude.



You contradict yourself. You're saying I have the right to demand "competent maintenance service". But when I ask a question to educate myself about what should be expected AS "competent maintenance service", you make rude remarks and insult my intelligence, which basically implies that you think I have no right to be born without the knowledge that you worked years to acquire. That's not very reasonable.



Thank you RocketQ. This is a person who understands the realities of life's situations.

I am aware that there are googans out there who will f**k up my equipment if I give them half a chance. Which means I need to be educated before I hand over a nice cue that I have paid good money for. Asking questions as part of the process of educating myself does not make ME the googan!

So, for those of you trying to be helpful, thank you. For those of you who choose to post snide comments, allow me to remind you that firstly, it's not helpful, and secondly, you create a bad image of yourself that will most likely affect your life and business in an adverse way.

As of yet, no one has addressed the specific issue of more than one type of pin with the same "designation". In my scenario, if the repair guy used an old school 3/8-10 maintenance pin on a shaft for a cue that has the newer 3/8-10 flat faced pin, could that cause the fit to loosen up?
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Im sorry - but you failed to identify yourself as the self apointed
arbiter of forum response tone - so my conviction will never stand
up after appeal.

YOU said you were anal - then went on to prove it beyound any shadow of a doubt - I happen to have a bit of firsthand experience with
a couple of friends who also specialize in assumptions of
'gloom and doom'.

It might help you to understand your behavior is actually a control
mechanism triggered by insecurity, projected onto others.

The tip off was your inclination to lecture those who tried to help you
because they were not respectful enough.
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If you don't trust the local $10 tip guy - and this thread sure indicates you don't - ship the shaft back to the person who made the cue.

I would not advise this to any normal well adjusted person,
but in your case - IMHO, the agonizing would far outweigh the cost
of shipping.

Dale<helpful as always>
 
pdcue said:
Im sorry - but you failed to identify yourself as the self apointed
arbiter of forum response tone - so my conviction will never stand
up after appeal.

YOU said you were anal - then went on to prove it beyound any shadow of a doubt - I happen to have a bit of firsthand experience with
a couple of friends who also specialize in assumptions of
'gloom and doom'.

It might help you to understand your behavior is actually a control
mechanism triggered by insecurity, projected onto others.

The tip off was your inclination to lecture those who tried to help you
because they were not respectful enough.
...............................................................................................

If you don't trust the local $10 tip guy - and this thread sure indicates you don't - ship the shaft back to the person who made the cue.

I would not advise this to any normal well adjusted person,
but in your case - IMHO, the agonizing would far outweigh the cost
of shipping.

Dale<helpful as always>
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If he orders a shaft with 12.8MM tip. Not 12.75MM.
Would you do it?:D
 
interchange

dzcues said:
No. Although I have individual drivers for each thread, they are interchangeable.

Using the old style 3/8-10 driver on a shaft with a 3/8-10 Flat Bottom thread will not harm anything.

The pitch & major diameter of each pin is identical. Only the minor diameter is different - and that is essentially clearance.
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You should not go the other way though right? Using a flat bottomed in a v groove shaft? Just making sure..
 
RocketQ said:
You should not go the other way though right? Using a flat bottomed in a v groove shaft? Just making sure..
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You are safe going the other way with just about any 3/8-10 shaft except one of mine.

The only difference in shaft preparation between the two thread sizes is this: the FB thread uses a minor diameter of .308 to register the shaft, whereas most cuemakers use a .312 diameter drill prior to tapping. This means that a standard shaft will have plenty of clearance on a FB pin - though it will be a looser fit. For maintenance work, this is fine.

My older shafts won't work "as is" because I use a .302 minor diameter for a stronger thread. The FB screw won't even start in the hole so there is no fear of causing damage. All I have to do is run a .308 reamer into my older shafts to make them usable with both pins.

IMO, it is a real improvement over the standard 3/8-10 when using a properly machined shaft. And there's no downside, as any of the specialty (laminated) shafts will fit too, though not as snugly.
 
Shevek said:
I just had a horrifying scenario pop into my head. I buy a very nice custom cue with a nice tight joint. I have the tip replaced and/or the shaft cleaned, etc. by some well respected cue service guy. He may be recommended by the locals, who think he's pretty good, but he's not a cue maker. Well maybe he does OK work as far as it goes, but let's say he's not used to working on custom cues made and bought by anal retentive, detail mongers like ourselves. This guy puts the cue in his lathe with the correct chuck/jig/attachment/thingy in the shaft's threaded hole, does the work, and returns it to me. Everything looks good, the shaft is very clean and smooth, the tip is uniform and burnished nicely. Then I go to put the shaft on the butt and find that it no longer has that nice tight - just right - feeling as I twist it on. The horror! The horror!

This is a realistic scenario right? The chuck/jig/attachment/thingy can be correct, yet be made with sloppy tolerances, right? Or maybe the lathe as it spins puts too much torque on the wooden threads in the hole? Does this happen? How can I prevent it?
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Quick and permanant remedy you can do yourself !


take a spray bottle of water and shoot a couple of squirts of water into the thread hole wait about 4-6 seconds then turn it over and dump it out, then use an air-compressor w/ nozzle to blow it dry.

This will swell up the threads and restore the tight fit you originally had !!!

It's a simple trick of the trade and works very well and the tightness will last just as long as the original intended time !

If you have any technical questions regarding the process please give me a call anytime !!!!


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat (East Coast Cue Repair) 321-631-1827
 
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Thanks

dzcues said:
You are safe going the other way with just about any 3/8-10 shaft except one of mine.

The only difference in shaft preparation between the two thread sizes is this: the FB thread uses a minor diameter of .308 to register the shaft, whereas most cuemakers use a .312 diameter drill prior to tapping. This means that a standard shaft will have plenty of clearance on a FB pin - though it will be a looser fit. For maintenance work, this is fine.

My older shafts won't work "as is" because I use a .302 minor diameter for a stronger thread. The FB screw won't even start in the hole so there is no fear of causing damage. All I have to do is run a .308 reamer into my older shafts to make them usable with both pins.

IMO, it is a real improvement over the standard 3/8-10 when using a properly machined shaft. And there's no downside, as any of the specialty (laminated) shafts will fit too, though not as snugly.
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Thanks for the clarification DZ.
 
pdcue said:
Im sorry - but you failed to identify yourself...
Dale
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Speaking of identifying yourself, are you a cue maker? If so, would you please tell me your full name and the name of the company if applicable. If you are not a cue maker, then it's irrelevant to me.

Thank you.
 
Just so you know, this happened, and the local quality repair shop is also one of the largest cue manufacturers in the world. Kind of makes all of your comments hollow now, doesn't it?

btw, talk about projecting your insecurities...

pdcue said:
Im sorry - but you failed to identify yourself as the self apointed
arbiter of forum response tone - so my conviction will never stand
up after appeal.

YOU said you were anal - then went on to prove it beyound any shadow of a doubt - I happen to have a bit of firsthand experience with
a couple of friends who also specialize in assumptions of
'gloom and doom'.

It might help you to understand your behavior is actually a control
mechanism triggered by insecurity, projected onto others.

The tip off was your inclination to lecture those who tried to help you
because they were not respectful enough.
...............................................................................................

If you don't trust the local $10 tip guy - and this thread sure indicates you don't - ship the shaft back to the person who made the cue.

I would not advise this to any normal well adjusted person,
but in your case - IMHO, the agonizing would far outweigh the cost
of shipping.

Dale<helpful as always>
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Im sorry - but you failed to identify yourself as the self apointed
arbiter of forum response tone - so my conviction will never stand
up after appeal.

YOU said you were anal - then went on to prove it beyound any shadow of a doubt - I happen to have a bit of firsthand experience with
a couple of friends who also specialize in assumptions of
'gloom and doom'.

It might help you to understand your behavior is actually a control
mechanism triggered by insecurity, projected onto others.

The tip off was your inclination to lecture those who tried to help you
because they were not respectful enough.
.................................................. .............................................

If you don't trust the local $10 tip guy - and this thread sure indicates you don't - ship the shaft back to the person who made the cue.

I would not advise this to any normal well adjusted person,
but in your case - IMHO, the agonizing would far outweigh the cost
of shipping.

Dale<helpful as always>
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wow.i am sure he felt that was helpful.
 
Shevek said:
I haven't bought my first custom cue yet. This didn't actually happen.
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Yeah ... I think you are thinking to much ... go play some pool!

You can speculate about anything. It aint a problem till it happens.
Think of all the things that can happen to you just by stepping out your front door.
Most people that worry about things like that are a bit abnormal.
So ... I would agree with Dale in this case ... you are a bit of a nut job.
But ... I would still make you a cue ... even knowing it would never be perfect.

BTW: just about all cue makers are a bit of a nut job also ... just in case you havent figured that out by now.
 
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i think later in the thread he says or his buddy says that this did happen.he didn't want to involve the cuemaker.no reason to give the guy a hard time.he is a guy who had a problem with one of his shafts and was trying to find out how it happened.

btw i can think of 1 or 2 ways that this could happen.
 
WheatCues said:
Quick and permanant remedy you can do yourself !


take a spray bottle of water and shoot a couple of squirts of water into the thread hole wait about 4-6 seconds then turn it over and dump it out, then use an air-compressor w/ nozzle to blow it dry.

This will swell up the threads and restore the tight fit you originally had !!!

It's a simple trick of the trade and works very well and the tightness will last just as long as the original intended time !

If you have any technical questions regarding the process please give me a call anytime !!!!


Sincerely, Eddie Wheat (East Coast Cue Repair) 321-631-1827
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Eddie ... I dont know if that would work with my shafts.
I coat the wood before and after threading with thin super glue to harden the wood. I dont think the water would have much effect on the sealed wood.
 
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