UPDATE for getting scammed by Rusty Cannon from North Carolina

I would take a trip to NC, I know the $600 is gone but I would feel a lot better on my drive home knowing Rusty didn't get it free! To stress over it is not worth it, you either accept it or do something about it! If it was a $10,000 cue you could get help but this small amount of money isn't going to get their attention.
I hope everything works out and you get your cue or money back.
Take care Tim,
Ron
 
I would take a trip to NC, I know the $600 is gone but I would feel a lot better on my drive home knowing Rusty didn't get it free! To stress over it is not worth it, you either accept it or do something about it! If it was a $10,000 cue you could get help but this small amount of money isn't going to get their attention.
I hope everything works out and you get your cue or money back.
Take care Tim,
Ron

from my past exp. its a civil matter you have to prove the other of the deal didnt commit to his deal.. doing so is almost immpossible unless you can have him or her confess. you can proceed with small claims but its gonna be a waste of time, as my Lawyer stated to me things are lost in the mail daily. proving foul play is gonna be hard. its a basic run down of a he said kinda deal. op sorry your deal fell through as ive been in these shoes.. but you should have worked with the pool hall owner an tried to recoup your item from him.. hard lesson learned i sure know mine was..
 
When he went to the post office and signed for it that is proof it wasn't lost! Going to NC and talking to him is an excellent way of handling a civil matter and go prepared with bond money in case you don't like what he has to say!
 
Listen, here is the deal. In many jurisdictions, there is a difference between truly having something stolen from you and voluntarily surrendering the same in a scam. IF the cue was in a car, someone smashed the window and took it, that is theft. Here, Thubosky volunarily surrendered the cue to the scammer.

In this case, if the scammer still has the cue, he could have filed a civil detainer action to recover the cue. He didn't. Because of the nature of the delivery of the cue to the scammer, it is highly unlikely that he would be able to recover the cue from anyone downstream from the scammer. If the subsequent purchaser paid money and had no knowledge of the scam at the time of purchase, he is what is called in law, a bona fide purchaser and has title to the cue.

One remedy for Thubosdy is to sue the original scammer for the unpaid purchase price, and chase him for the rest of his life to collect a civil judgment. He can do that in his own back yard, then he will have to "domesticate" the judgment in North Carolina, get an attorney to figure out where scammer works and garnish his wages or levy on property he owns.

Second option is to get law enforcement involved, either local or through the US Postal Service, to start a criminal action to press charges and have his lost money ordered as restitution by the criminal court.

Cops and investigators work on cases in terms of severity and priority. Oftentimes, the loudest barking dog gets attention. Local cops aren't going to pay much attention to a "foreigner" who managed to get scammed out of a $600 cue. If you make the trip to push the issue, file the reports, etc., it might get a little more attention. Call every day, and it might get more attention. Same for the Postal Inspector. Other option is to go to the US Attorney's office and see if you can get an audience. Trust me, they probably don't give a shit about a $600 cue when they are looking at monster cases. If the scammer is from Nigeria and doing this daily, yeah they might get excited. Here, not likely.

Point I am make probably not very artfully was that coming here and whining isn't going to make anything happen. Real question is how much time and money do you invest in recovering a $600 cue.

Several years ago, had a friend with a fairly unique custom built banjo that got stolen out of his car at a fiddler's convention. Worth about $3,000. Police report filed, Twenty years later they find it in the hands of a guy that bought it at a yard sale for $125. I filed suit for the guy, and after two years of legal wrangling in civil court, we got the banjo back. This was a true theft case, and the subsequent purchaser had no legal title to the banjo because of the theft. Had the owner voluntarily surrendered the banjo to a repairman who subsequently sold it without the owner's knowledge, very different result, which is the same as the case here.

Sorry for being less than tactful, but coming here isn't going to do anything to get the cue or his money returned. Thubosky is going to have to step up and take some legal action on his own, and/or drive someone nuts until they help him.

Sorry buddy you caught me on a bad day. Yea I see your point. It's not really gonna get me anywhere complaining on here. But I am going on vacation in a couple weeks to SC. So ill be passing through NC. I am wondering what the best route to go would be to get something done while I'm there?

Apparently that Steve sold the cue and for the record since everyone seems to just read his message on the picture I posted and nothing that I type; I was never offered the cue back! He called after I pressured him because I knew Rusty hung out at that poolhall. He then asked for my number and called and said he thinks he may have bought it. He gave some story On how he didn't know It was stolen. Which he probably didnt. However he said he bought it for $900 and that he paid a higher price so its not like he bought it for $100 and would have suspected it to be stolen. And then in the Facebook MSG he said he bought and sold it for a normal price. And on the phone he said, " Oh man I hope you don't hate me." And I said no I don't hate him that I hate that Rusty and wanted to make sure he got what he deserved. Steve never offered it to me and I didn't pressure him because I was calling the cops once I got off the phone with him. But after 4 attempts and noone getting back to me from the police I lost hope and gave up. And I started a new job and moved from my location where I filed the police report. So it was hard to get in contact with them in person or phone when they wouldn't call me back and when I was moving into a new place and doing remodeling.

But I've been thinking about the cue lately and how I can't stand dishonest people. So that is why I've been bumping it and I am more motivated to try and give it one more whirl to get Rusty since ill be in his state.
 
When he went to the post office and signed for it that is proof it wasn't lost! Going to NC and talking to him is an excellent way of handling a civil matter and go prepared with bond money in case you don't like what he has to say!

Just because he signed for it doesn't mean he didn't ship his things. An that's what a person would have to prove. Man A says he didn't ship man B says he did. Where ianthe underlying evidence he didn't. An opinion never has nor will it hold up in court. Sure take a trip to NC now its a premeditated crime. Chalk your loss I had to.
 
Just because he signed for it doesn't mean he didn't ship his things. An that's what a person would have to prove. Man A says he didn't ship man B says he did. Where ianthe underlying evidence he didn't. An opinion never has nor will it hold up in court. Sure take a trip to NC now its a premeditated crime. Chalk your loss I had to.


Since I have proof that R. Cannon signed for my item that I sent and I m saying that he didn't ship what was supposed to come to me, wouldn't he have to prove that he did ship it to me??? How Could there be anyway on earth to prove that he didn't ship it to me??? Do I just say yea look I don't have his item and they will say yea I guess he really didn't ship it because you don't have it.

I would really hope that he would have to supply proof that he did send it, otherwise yea there is no way to prove someone did not send it, only he can show proof that he did.
 
And one other thing, how am I suppose to get a civil suit or whatever against him when I really don't know for sure what town he lives in or his real address? And for all I know his real name could be Russell. And it's bad enough his name sounds fake but that's what he goes by apparently from people who knew him in the poolrooms around the area.
 
Well, I for one don't think you are on here whining. I appreciate you letting people on here know about this guy, and hope you bump this every now and then so people don't forget about him. Another thing, laws in different states vary, especially concerning stolen property. In our state, doesn't matter how many times an item has changed hands, if it is stolen property, it is stolen property. The person that has it (if he didn't know it was stolen), would still lose the item. He may or may not be charged.
 
Since I have proof that R. Cannon signed for my item that I sent and I m saying that he didn't ship what was supposed to come to me, wouldn't he have to prove that he did ship it to me??? How Could there be anyway on earth to prove that he didn't ship it to me??? Do I just say yea look I don't have his item and they will say yea I guess he really didn't ship it because you don't have it.

I would really hope that he would have to supply proof that he did send it, otherwise yea there is no way to prove someone did not send it, only he can show proof that he did.

yes in theory he would have to prove these things.. i went as far as going to crawfordsville indiana to retrieve mine. had serial numbers pictures an all of the hoyt bow i done some trading on.. the bad thing is the guy showed the bow an stated dude an i quote dude i sent you your items why bring the law here.. i was then informed its a civil matter. he has claimed he sent the items i said i want proof, he clearly stated at that his word is all i need. then said i sent them then ask us to leave an proceeding in his home an shut the door. i discussed these matters along with my police report made by the local authorities there with my attorney.. basically it boiled to if he would admit his foul play i had a case. but any known criminal isnt gonna admit in a court they ripped you off. if ur still looking for a new hunting bow i have a dream season evo 2011 model new un fired i may do some wheeling an dealing on
 
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