Update on the Des Moines pool scene

Richardson said:
How about a system like this:


Masters is bring who you want. Obviously i mean people who play the league and qualified.

Level 1 = no masters.

Level 2 = no level 1 players.

My league team has been mostly the same for years, and i hate the fact that i would even have to think about changing it to compete in the M_A_S_T_E_R_S.
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That's a good idea, I like that one.

Next question will be should people have to play with 3 original members of their team and why do they have to be in the same charter if all players pay the same sanctioning fees. You'll have the rise of cross state teams if you do this.
 
Richardson said:
How about a system like this:


Masters is bring who you want. Obviously i mean people who play the league and qualified.

Level 1 = no masters.

Level 2 = no level 1 players.

My league team has been mostly the same for years, and i hate the fact that i would even have to think about changing it to compete in the M_A_S_T_E_R_S.
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So, by this logic I would have to play on a team with Ken Uehlenkamp and 3 open players in the Masters division...even though we aren't on the same team. I agree with the Masters team tournament being open to whoever, but ONE master should still be able to play on a level 1 team. There are some leagues that have a minimal number of Masters players.
 
Big Dog said:
Mike, I understand you are going to defend your friend. I want to make one thing very clear...I am on the VNEA National Masters List, and I have never played in their national tournament! I am not sure how I got on that list, but I don't believe I should be because of that fact. And yes, I won the Valley state tourney, intermediate level. I am proud of that because I did prove that I belong in the masters next year on the state level for VNEA. I played the Level 1 tournament at ISPA, and finished 13-16th, so I will play it again next year. I failed to prove myself in that tournament, which means I am not a master player in the ISPA's eyes. That's the system we have in place, and just the way it is.

I have respect for you, and hope you don't really want to get involved in this mess.
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Jon, my statement had nothing to do with defending Mike. It had to do with the flaws of the "known ability" system that is in place for ISPA. I have no problem with players picking their division at Valley, because there is not a "known ability" rule. ISPA is different though...or should I say, it is supposed to be different. Last years champion team had a questionable "open" player, the Omaha team this year had a questionable "open" player, and your team this year had a questionable open player.

It was only a few months ago that you were going to gamble with Scott H. and the "window was open"...I can't think of many open players that would make that offer.

It would just be easiest to do away with the Elite list and go from there.
 
Mike B. said:
ONE master should still be able to play on a level 1 team. There are some leagues that have a minimal number of Masters players.
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With a nod to Mike B., I agree. This solves the smaller league scenario if one member places well in the singles tournament. In my hometown league, the one guy who placed well enough in the open to move up (just barely, mind you) would be shoved off any team from that league.

Masters = Run what you brung.

Open = 1 Master only allowed.

Open 2 = No Masters - Only X Level 1 players.

There were some open's in the #2, some Masters in the open. Unless folks (LO's) get serious about Ken's suggestion of the Competition committee - at the local level -- it'll continue to happen.

The LO's won't make the hard decision and defer to ISPA; ISPA says we don't know everyone, so we defer to the LO's, but settle any complaints. A system built for oversight when no one raises a ruckus. How far off am I?

If 'other league' state and Master lists are not considered KNOWN ABILITY, what exactly is?

Whatever -- Rack 'em and lets play.

JMO.
 
Well, they want to keep the elite list so more people can compete in the handicapped masters singles. I feel this should not apply to the team play. After all, the team race is not handicapped.

I also see no reason to not allow one master on a level one team. It does not make that team unbeatable.
 
Richardson said:
How about a system like this:


Masters is bring who you want. Obviously i mean people who play the league and qualified.

Level 1 = no masters.

Level 2 = no level 1 players.

My league team has been mostly the same for years, and i hate the fact that i would even have to think about changing it to compete in the M_A_S_T_E_R_S.
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IMO Level 1 should be allowed one master, Level 2 should be allowed one Level 1 player, and Masters should be able to get whoever they want from within their charter. That means if someone from Omaha wants to play on a team from Des Moines, he can drive over here and play his 6 nights to qualify with that team.
 
Thanks for the good words! I was NOT happy about my finals match but nothing i can do about it now. Team played a little rocky Sunday morning and got 3rd. Now on to Midwest.

It's pretty interesting on what's going on here. So many people are involved that have nothing to do with the immediate people at hand that it actually involved. We can go all day long with the IMO's – but at the end of the day -- there are some people can sleep with the decisions they make and wake up thinking they are a wonderful person and maybe actually look at themselves in the mirror and SMILE -- Others will stay awake wondering how that is possible???

No matter how you look at it, "" there is what's RIGHT, what's WRONG and what IS -- and what IS is what you have to live with.""
 
Mike B. said:
So, by this logic I would have to play on a team with Ken Uehlenkamp and 3 open players in the Masters division...even though we aren't on the same team. I agree with the Masters team tournament being open to whoever, but ONE master should still be able to play on a level 1 team. There are some leagues that have a minimal number of Masters players.
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No, by this logic your team could play masters and noone would care. Or you could build a full masters team, or get on a masters team. Since you Mike are a VERY capable masters player, and most teams including mine would be a better team with you on it.

The problem with the 1 master on a team is, people will always try to find a way to build teams with 1 master on it and divy up the open players. Instead of just having a strong team play in the masters like they could. I am guilty of this aswell.
 
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wormness said:
Thanks for the good words! I was NOT happy about my finals match but nothing i can do about it now. Team played a little rocky Sunday morning and got 3rd. Now on to Midwest.

It's pretty interesting on what's going on here. So many people are involved that have nothing to do with the immediate people at hand that it actually involved. We can go all day long with the IMO's – but at the end of the day -- there are some people can sleep with the decisions they make and wake up thinking they are a wonderful person and maybe actually look at themselves in the mirror and SMILE -- Others will stay awake wondering how that is possible???

No matter how you look at it, "" there is what's RIGHT, what's WRONG and what IS -- and what IS is what you have to live with.""
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Hello Your Wormness! How's Bean :)

I agree with your post! Nice shootin up there btw. The more prego you get the better you will shoot...it's a proven fact! Midwest should be a fun tourney too...looking forward to it!
 
On to other things...who wants in on a 16 max double elim 10-Ball tourney this Saturday on the long tables????
 
mikeyfrost said:
On to other things...who wants in on a 16 max double elim 10-Ball tourney this Saturday on the long tables????
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Sorry buddy, not this weekend. Have prior commitments away from pool. Is the Big Dog tourney still on or no? Haven't seen a flyer or heard anything since before ISPA.
 
Big Dog said:
Hello Your Wormness! How's Bean :)

I agree with your post! Nice shootin up there btw. The more prego you get the better you will shoot...it's a proven fact! Midwest should be a fun tourney too...looking forward to it!
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Me and my bean are alright! I sure hope i do shoot better. too bad it's not during tourney season! Oh well. i'll just have to play the other pool. See you at Midwest? Sam is super cute btw with her mini bump :)
 
Richardson said:
No, by this logic your team could play masters and noone would care. Or you could build a full masters team, or get on a masters team. Since you Mike are a VERY capable masters player, and most teams including mine would be a better team with you on it.

The problem with the 1 master on a team is, people will always try to find a way to build teams with 1 master on it and divy up the open players. Instead of just having a strong team play in the masters like they could. I am guilty of this aswell.
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My point is that I play league in Ames and we have 2, maybe 3 Masters players in the whole league. I choose and prefer to play league there and I feel I should still be able to compete in the team portion of the state tournament, not just enter my open team in the Masters division or travel to a different league just to play on a masters team.
 
Mike B. said:
My point is that I play league in Ames and we have 2, maybe 3 Masters players in the whole league. I choose and prefer to play league there and I feel I should still be able to compete in the team portion of the state tournament, not just enter my open team in the Masters division or travel to a different league just to play on a masters team.
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Your team played Masters in Cedar Rapids. Unless the roster is totally different for ISPA than IOMA what's the difference.

I think there should be one list for the state. Way too many guys on one masters list and not the other and vice versa. Creates all types of loop holes and yes people will get over where they can because money is more important than anything.
 
Mike B. said:
My point is that I play league in Ames and we have 2, maybe 3 Masters players in the whole league. I choose and prefer to play league there and I feel I should still be able to compete in the team portion of the state tournament, not just enter my open team in the Masters division or travel to a different league just to play on a masters team.
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Didn't your OPEN team play Masters at VNEA ?
 
Mike B. said:
My point is that I play league in Ames and we have 2, maybe 3 Masters players in the whole league. I choose and prefer to play league there and I feel I should still be able to compete in the team portion of the state tournament, not just enter my open team in the Masters division or travel to a different league just to play on a masters team.
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So if there are three Master players in Ames, why don't you create three Intermediate teams and go play the team tournaments? If you don't want to travel to Des Moines or anywhere else, then that's what you are stuck with. If you want to compete every year, then you might have to drive here to play league.
 
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