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SJDinPHX

SJDinPHX

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(((Satori))) said:
Yes, Rounders was the big reason poker become so popular. That movie coupled with the ease to which one could play with online poker made poker a success imo. Casinos started popping up everywhere also. It had nothing to do with the game being played. Like Watchez said with the success came more events with a variety of games being played.
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Hard to believe that you and Beib's actually think a low budget, run of the mill movie, with almost unknown (at the time) actors, had the remotest influence on the explosion of poker in the US..It had nowhere near the impact, the Hustler, or COM had on pool..Plus they had Newman and Cruise! Check out the "History" I captioned at the end of this post..You'll find the wheels were set in motion long before any "Rounders" or even "The Hustler" movies were made!

The proliferation of Texas Hold'em, (yes, and the hole card cam) was strictly the brain child of Benny Binion, along with a hugh Harrah's influence! Even the unfortunate change in online gambling laws, could not stop its well accepted, popular appeal!..Thats almost as misleading, as Watchez saying, that an amatuer, (Moneymaker) winning a braclet, was responsible for Poker's (ie; Hold-em's) incredible success!..Reality check needed, please!

As several others have noted..if pool had, had ANY kind of organization, or leadership, (like Binion or Harrah's) Pool may well have enjoyed similar popularity!..Sadly this was not the case!...Also, the explosion of Indian Casino's, had absolutely nothing to do with anything remotely involving "card games"!..That was strictly a matter of laws being changed, in an attempt to appease all Native American's, for the many wrongs we had done them!.. Please fella's, lets try and inject a little common sense, into your assessment of the situation! :rolleyes:

SJDinPHX said:
..Heres a little more background info..From wikiup; "The History of Binion's"

Binion's has been making Las Vegas history since 1951 when Texas gambler, Benny Binion, bought the property at 128 Fremont Street. Benny was passionate about giving players excitement, good odds and friendly service, or as he would say - Good Food. Good Whiskey. Good Gamble. When Benny introduced the Horseshoe Club to the "Glitter Gulch" of downtown Las Vegas, a legacy was born.

The Horseshoe Club became the first real gambling hall and saloon in Las Vegas and was soon recognized as the place to go for high roller action and generous comps for all players. While the nostalgic personality of the Horseshoe Club remained the same throughout the years, the property grew in both size and scope when in 1960, Benny purchased the neighboring Boulder Club. In 1988, Benny's sons purchased The Mint Hotel to double the size of the property that today, covers an entire block of Fremont Street as Binion's Gambling Hall & Hotel.

In 1970, what began as an intimate poker game with 10 of Benny's friends evolved into the World Series of Poker that today, is one of the largest and most prestigious poker tournaments in the world. Although the World Series of Poker no longer occurs at the property, Binion's is still recognized among poker enthusiasts as the place that made poker famous. Las Vegas visitors and locals alike know Binion's Hall of Fame Poker Room is the ultimate test of their playing skills.
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You are on crack. .

SJDinPHX said:
Hard to believe that you and Beib's actually think a low budget, run of the mill movie, with almost unknown (at the time) actors, had the remotest influence on the explosion of poker in the US..It had nowhere near the impact, the Hustler, or COM had on pool..Plus they had Newman and Cruise! Check out the "History" I captioned at the end of this post..You'll find the wheels were set in motion long before any "Rounders" or even "The Hustler" movies were made!

The proliferation of Texas Hold'em, (yes, and the hole card cam) was strictly the brain child of Benny Binion, along with a hugh Harrah's influence! Even the unfortunate change in online gambling laws, could not stop its well accepted, popular appeal!..Thats almost as misleading, as Watchez saying, that an amatuer, (Moneymaker) winning a braclet, was responsible for Poker's (ie; Hold-em's) incredible success!..Reality check needed, please!

As several others have noted..if pool had, had ANY kind of organization, or leadership, (like Binion or Harrah's) Pool may well have enjoyed similar popularity!..Sadly this was not the case!...Also, the explosion of Indian Casino's, had absolutely nothing to do with anything remotely involving "card games"!..That was strictly a matter of laws being changed, in an attempt to appease all Native American's, for the many wrongs we had done them!.. Please fella's, lets try and inject a little common sense, into your assessment of the situation! :rolleyes:
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Rounders is absolutely what shot poker into the stratosphere compared to what it was before. The world series of poker went from having maybe 100 people took having hundreds the roams in the few years following the release of the movie.

Matt Damon had already been in the lime light from good will hunting and John Turturro etc were not unknown actors.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
Rounders is absolutely what shot poker into the stratosphere compared to what it was before. The world series of poker went from having maybe 100 people took having hundreds the roams in the few years following the release of the movie.

Matt Damon had already been in the lime light from good will hunting and John Turturro etc were not unknown actors.

Jaden
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Not to mention that Edward Norton both shot to the spotlight right after the release of Rounders (American History X was released the same year--his stardom role for which he would be nominated for his second Oscar and Fight Club the next year). Edward Norton was also nominated a few years before for Primal Fear.

As for Matt Damon, he was a legitimate star being nominated for multiple oscars and winning for best screenwriting.

As a matter of fact, Rounders was the top movie for it's opening weekend. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=1998&wknd=37&p=.htm

Point being, this wasn't a movie which made anybody's career. It is a very fun movie which was elevated by having two leads who had been nominated for at least three oscars by that time...both under 30 years old at the time.
 
Don't worry guys. It's just another case of the old man taking a few too many sips before getting on the computer :)
 
Don't forget Martin Landau and John Malkovic....who can forget " pay dat mahn hees money" .
 
(((Satori))) said:
Hey Dick, you sound bored. Check out "Full Circle" on Netflix

Now that is a great low budget movie!
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I'm not bored..On the contrary, I stand by everything I said!..If ya'll think the 'B' movie Rounders, was responsible for poker's amazing resurgence, than you can't read!..That movie barely broke even, and did not capture anyone's interest, but a few avid , half drunk, poker playing degenerates! (and the suckers who thought it was realistic)..Please tell me what you didn't comprehend about Benny Binoin's contribution to the meteoric rise of poker?..Are you saying he was just a 'minor player' ? :confused: (try and tell that to Phil Ivey, Helmuth or Negreuano..or even Moneymaker) :cool:

PS..How can you possibly compare 'Rounders', with the success of the Hustler, or COM?..Trying to make 'huge stars' out of the cast of Rounders, will not impress very many people of my (or any) generation!..It was STILL a 'B' movie! :rolleyes:.. I think we just have a few people, who can't admit they are dead wrong! :eek: (Damn its fun being right..Ya'll should try it sometime) :p
 
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Rounders actually did very little for the current state of Poker until after the 2003 WSOP broadcast in which Moneymaker won. Then and only then did the explosion occur. I started playing cards in 1999 at a small Indian casino. The amount of quality places to play live poker didn't increase dramatically until after 2003. Online poker, although present prior, exploded after 2003 as well. I never heard one person quoting Rounders prior to 2002/2003. After 2003 you couldn't shut people up. It was like they discovered the movie. I will concede that Rounders brought more people into the game after that time because of the "lore" it created but it was certainly not the reason for the explosion.

By the numbers....

WSOP entrants in

1997-312
1998-350
1999-393
2000-512
2001-613
2002-631
2003-839
2004-2576
2005-5619
2006-8773 and on and on.....(look at wikipedia if you want to see the rest of the numbers)


The other thing that helps poker is that everyone, regardless of their actual
win/loss %, always thinks they are good at cards. It's never that they played bad, it's that they got a "bad beat." There is a lot of luck involved in poker as opposed to pool where there is much less luck involved. People believe they always have a chance with cards, not so with pool.

Obviously, Binion was the catalyst for everything, including Rounders (remember what the ultimate goal is for Damon's character?????), and there were many other little events which helped poker along but I'm not sure poker would have reached the heights it is at now without online poker or ESPN.
 
SJDinPHX said:
I'm not bored..On the contrary, I stand by everything I said!..If ya'll think the 'B' movie Rounders, was responsible for poker's amazing resurgence, than you can't read!..That movie barely broke even, and did not capture anyone's interest, but a few avid , half drunk, poker playing degenerates! (and the suckers who thought it was realistic)..Please tell me what you didn't comprehend about Benny Binoin's contribution to the meteoric rise of poker?..Are you saying he was just a 'minor player' ? :confused: (try and tell that to Phil Ivey, Helmuth or Negreuano..or even Moneymaker) :cool:

PS..How can you possibly compare 'Rounders', with the success of the Hustler, or COM?..Trying to make 'huge stars' out of the cast of Rounders, will not impress very many people of my (or any) generation!..It was STILL a 'B' movie! :rolleyes:.. I think we just have a few people, who can't admit they are dead wrong! :eek: (Damn its fun being right..Ya'll should try it sometime) :p
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'B' Movies don't top the box office on their opening weekend.

Rounders is twice as good at the color of money. The only three things that were even decent about the color of money were 1: Paul Newman; 2: Mastrantonio's left boob...and coming in a distant third: Mastrantonio's right boob.
 
ElCorazonFrio said:
'B' Movies don't top the box office on their opening weekend.

Rounders is twice as good at the color of money. The only three things that were even decent about the color of money were 1: Paul Newman; 2: Mastrantonio's left boob...and coming in a distant third: Mastrantonio's right boob.
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Why is the right boob inferior to the left? I think they both deserve a TOI ;)

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caff3in3 said:
Why is the right boob inferior to the left? I think they both deserve a TOI ;)

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I can plainly see that youve never played the game "just the tip" .... TOI isnt for boobies dummy ;)
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l82fish said:
Rounders actually did very little for the current state of Poker until after the 2003 WSOP broadcast in which Moneymaker won....... I never heard one person quoting Rounders prior to 2002/2003. After 2003 you couldn't shut people up. It was like they discovered the movie. I will concede that Rounders brought more people into the game after that time because of the "lore" it created but it was certainly not the reason for the explosion.....

.....Obviously, Binion was the catalyst for everything, including Rounders (remember what the ultimate goal is for Damon's character?????), and there were many other little events which helped poker along but I'm not sure poker would have reached the heights it is at now without online poker or ESPN.
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Finally, a gentleman who can both read, and capably express himself!....:thumbup:

PS..Rounders taking the opening week box office numbers only says one thing!..It was a slow week for new releases ;)
 
I think Color of Money is great movie! Hustler was great also but I like CoM even more.
 
And for this, you bust out the new ID?

l82fish said:
Rounders actually did very little for the current state of Poker until after the 2003 WSOP broadcast in which Moneymaker won. Then and only then did the explosion occur. I started playing cards in 1999 at a small Indian casino. The amount of quality places to play live poker didn't increase dramatically until after 2003. Online poker, although present prior, exploded after 2003 as well. I never heard one person quoting Rounders prior to 2002/2003. After 2003 you couldn't shut people up. It was like they discovered the movie. I will concede that Rounders brought more people into the game after that time because of the "lore" it created but it was certainly not the reason for the explosion.

By the numbers....

WSOP entrants in

1997-312
1998-350
1999-393
2000-512
2001-613
2002-631
2003-839
2004-2576
2005-5619
2006-8773 and on and on.....(look at wikipedia if you want to see the rest of the numbers)


The other thing that helps poker is that everyone, regardless of their actual
win/loss %, always thinks they are good at cards. It's never that they played bad, it's that they got a "bad beat." There is a lot of luck involved in poker as opposed to pool where there is much less luck involved. People believe they always have a chance with cards, not so with pool.

Obviously, Binion was the catalyst for everything, including Rounders (remember what the ultimate goal is for Damon's character?????), and there were many other little events which helped poker along but I'm not sure poker would have reached the heights it is at now without online poker or ESPN.
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Poolmanis said:
I think Color of Money is great movie! Hustler was great also but I like CoM even more.
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The C.O.M. was more geared toward us pool buffs!...The Hustler, was more a story about life's bitter realities..Thats why it enjoyed a much more diversified audience..Pool was just along for the ride! ;)

PS..That is until Fat's jumped on the bandwagon, and made it HIS own personal movie! :o

Black-Balled said:
And for this, you bust out the new ID?
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Sez the guy with over 27,000 posts!..:p
 
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SJDinPHX said:
PS..How can you possibly compare 'Rounders', with the success of the Hustler, or COM?..Trying to make 'huge stars' out of the cast of Rounders, will not impress very many people of my (or any) generation!..It was STILL a 'B' movie! :rolleyes:.. I think we just have a few people, who can't admit they are dead wrong! :eek: (Damn its fun being right..Ya'll should try it sometime) :p
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I will concede to your wisdom sir:thumbup: but I never compared Rounders to COM or The Hustler.
 
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SJDinPHX said:
I'm not bored..On the contrary, I stand by everything I said!..If ya'll think the 'B' movie Rounders, was responsible for poker's amazing resurgence, than you can't read!..That movie barely broke even, and did not capture anyone's interest, but a few avid , half drunk, poker playing degenerates! (and the suckers who thought it was realistic)..Please tell me what you didn't comprehend about Benny Binoin's contribution to the meteoric rise of poker?..Are you saying he was just a 'minor player' ? :confused: (try and tell that to Phil Ivey, Helmuth or Negreuano..or even Moneymaker) :cool:

PS..How can you possibly compare 'Rounders', with the success of the Hustler, or COM?..Trying to make 'huge stars' out of the cast of Rounders, will not impress very many people of my (or any) generation!..It was STILL a 'B' movie! :rolleyes:.. I think we just have a few people, who can't admit they are dead wrong! :eek: (Damn its fun being right..Ya'll should try it sometime) :p
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I think The Cincinnati Kid was a much better poker movie...like The Hustler, it transcended
the game itself and had more to say about the human condition.

....although I got into a lot of arguments about the last hand.....:outtahere:
 
pt109 said:
I think The Cincinnati Kid was a much better poker movie...like The Hustler, it transcended
the game itself and had more to say about the human condition.

....although I got into a lot of arguments about the last hand.....:outtahere:
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And don't forget the poker scene from The Sting! Newman will always be the man!
 
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