US Open latest

Mark Griffin said:
NOT aiming at anyone in particular.That's in a different subforum.
BUT - I am hoping this thread can stay on topic.
It is becoming a bad habit for threads to go so far off track.
I know everyone wants to keep things 'light hearted' but this is important stuff.

(Links to music videos and such is quite disruptive. Pictures of dogs are in the same category).Black-Balled started it.

First of all, I think Barry writes a great letter.
I agree it should not have a date of payment because iusedtoberich was correct.

I do think it should have a little more meat and not so much fluff - BUT Barry is still trying and you gotta love him for that.Watching a couple in a failing relationship isn't much fun.

But it is terrible this great event had to come to this and this type of action is hurting the integrity of the entire industry. To think otherwise is naive.

I just think he has made it hard for himself because now everyone is going to say 'SHOW ME THE MONEY' before the event.

This time there will be no slack given - as there shouldn't be. The players NEED to be paid on time.

Mark Griffin
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So, he's looking at, I'm guessing, at least another 30 days before everybody gets paid. That'll bring it to, let's say, 2 months after it happened. He also claims that he'll have the next Open's money escrowed at least a month early. He's going to go from being thousands in the hole to having tens of thousands in the bank in less than 9 months? Sure, some could do it. His track record screams "no".

If I had the money to spare, I'd put up odds against that.. but, then I'd just be pulling a Behrman. :eek:

Edit: Do you also think that 30 days prior is even good enough? Honestly, for all of that planning and putting out for expected expenses, would you want more than 30 days as a player to know that an event is going down or not?
 
iusedtoberich said:
I think its better that he did not list a date. It will happen whenever it happens. Stating when that would be and then falling short, is worse, imo, than not stating at all.
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I can see both sides of it but I still feel like he should be on the hook for a payment date. We can agree to disagree :-)
 
RobertaAgnor said:
I have always been & always will continue to be a friend of Barry Berhman. I'm not saying he's done no wrong because he has; he fully realizes that & takes full responsibility for it. It's just my opinion but I really don't feel that anyone has the right to judge or complain about the way he does business unless it DIRECTLY affects them, which would the players & others involved in the tournament; not that that's going to stop anyone from doing it I know. :)

I'm sure I'll catch plenty of flack for stating this as I already have in the short time I've been posting here, which doesn't bother me in the least. I will continue to respectfully agree to disagree with people who have opinions different than mine because everyone is entitled to think whatever they want.

I have no doubt that there will be a US Open 9 Ball Championship next October, he will find a way.
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he fully realizes that & takes full responsibility for it.


Exactly what does this mean? It puzzles me , i think it means something other than what it implies , especially in the late 20th and early 21st centuries . Taking responsibility has to have a penalty if a wrong has been committed , like if you are convicted of treason and you admit responsibility , you have to stand before a firing squad.
 
Behrman is a mental case. He is in major denial and I would say he needs a therapist badly. I don't think I have ever read a word from him stating where the money went that he did have. A great conman does the same thing. Talks all around the main issue till you have forgotten all about it and then he makes another move on you. I would wager Q-Masters is not in his or his family's name. Maybe he is at least that smart.
 
I dont know barry personally so i can not judge him. Im hoping he can pull out of the mud and get back on the pavement.
 
Barry, since you read the forums and I have no idea of, or business in, your daily finances all I can say is I wish you the best of luck getting this year's payments sorted and next years added money put aside in advance.

Thanks for putting on the US Open in all of the years passed and I hope it continues to be a tradition.




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I agree with tate. barry hearn or one of his team would be excellent choice. get michaela tabb to referee & you got a professional event.
 
I judge people by their actions, not their words. No letter will change my mind. Especially one full of hollow promises. He can save all that for someone who wasn't there. The letter (e-mail) he sent to me had a decidedly different tone to it. I prefer not to share that here.
 
Luxury said:
That is good sound logic. Keep your mouth shut about crimes that don't effect you. I think some of the guys involved in the Sandusky rapes felt the same. After all, it wasn't their asses getting pounded.
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This is in no way comparable to rape or any other violent crime, you're comparing apples to oranges. Unless you're one of the people that's owed money then it doesn't affect you & is frankly not your business. You want to judge Barry for what he's done so I'm sure you must be perfect & have never done anything wrong. It's not stopping the players from coming nor is it stopping the fans (of which I'm one) from coming. All I did was state what I thought, if you don't agree that's fine.
 
TATE said:
Say you were a bank, how much of a credit line would you give him?

To be fair, I knew a guy who refused to pay anybody he owed who couldn't hurt him, yet, his American Express bill was paid like clockwork.

Seriously though, it does affect a lot of people. It puts a stain on an entire industry for competence and financial integrity. I'm thinking the pool players are not the only creditors at this point.
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I see what you're saying & I respect your opinion although it differs from mine. It affects what people think of him but it only really affects the ones involved. If people want to judge an entire sport by the actions of one person then that's their prerogative. I certainly don't judge say the NFL by the actions & crimes of it's players.
 
david(tx) said:
he fully realizes that & takes full responsibility for it.


Exactly what does this mean? It puzzles me , i think it means something other than what it implies , especially in the late 20th and early 21st centuries . Taking responsibility has to have a penalty if a wrong has been committed , like if you are convicted of treason and you admit responsibility , you have to stand before a firing squad.
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I should have been more clear. When I made that statement I was referring to things in the past.
 
jay helfert said:
I judge people by their actions, not their words. No letter will change my mind. Especially one full of hollow promises. He can save all that for someone who wasn't there. The letter (e-mail) he sent to me had a decidedly different tone to it. I prefer not to share that here.
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Jay, I completely understand where you're coming from too. That's the only point I was trying to make, you are one of the people affected by what happened so you have every right to feel how you do; you are one that know the full story that not everyone on here does. It's one thing to come on here saying things when you know what you're talking about, as you do, then when you talk about things you don't know about. I, for one, will miss seeing you at the Open; you were always friendly & had a smile on your face for everyone & made it a very enjoyable experience.
 
Can I ask WHY it's not possible to have plenty of events throughout the year with the goal of sending people to the US Open? Why can't every pool room in the country run tournaments with the purpose of sending their best players to the US Open. I can't understand why, with a YEAR to prepare the US Open isn't FULL for a solid month BEFORE the event starts, with a waiting list.

If I was Barry I'd offer a $5000 prize to the pool room that sent the winning player. Give them incentives to field as many players as possible.
 
RobertaAgnor said:
Unless you're one of the people that's owed money then it doesn't affect you & is frankly not your business. You want to judge Barry for what he's done so I'm sure you must be perfect & have never done anything wrong. It's not stopping the players from coming nor is it stopping the fans (of which I'm one) from coming.
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This isn't something new. It's a decade old.

A lot of the people on these forums make the pilgrimage to the U S Open, and spend their hard earned money to support this venue.
You think those people should just keep quiet on how BB uses the money they spend, ESPECIALLY if BB keeps screwing up the way he does?

The support they give by the money they spend gives them the right to criticize BB any way they see fit.
Without the fans, the Open would die.

Maybe the failure with payment should be broadcast on the news, so the fans can ban together and boycott the open so that it can finally die and be given a proper burial.

Who's business would it be then?
 
SUPERSTAR said:
This isn't something new. It's a decade old.

A lot of the people on these forums make the pilgrimage to the U S Open, and spend their hard earned money to support this venue.
You think those people should just keep quiet on how BB uses the money they spend, ESPECIALLY if BB keeps screwing up the way he does?

The support they give by the money they spend gives them the right to criticize BB any way they see fit.
Without the fans, the Open would die.

Maybe the failure with payment should be broadcast on the news, so the fans can ban together and boycott the open so that it can finally die and be given a proper burial.

Who's business would it be then?
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I'm there every year too & spend my money to support it, I have been for years along with my family & friends. These problems go back for years & have been publicized for years as well but it still isn't stopping the players or the fans from coming. You have every right to your opinion just as I do to mine so I will respectfully agree to disagree.
 
RobertaAgnor said:
These problems go back for years & have been publicized for years as well but it still isn't stopping the players or the fans from coming.
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Obviously, the number of players in the field not being close to what it was 11 years ago, and it being moved to a different venue means nothing 2 you.:rolleyes:
 
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