US Vs Asians

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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Since I ran into health problems a few years ago and can longer play pool for anymore than a few minutes I?ve been watching hundreds of pros on TV and on the computer. The one big thing (not the only reason) I feel is different about the American players and the Asian players are that the Asian players use a lot of spin/English for position. Most of the American players of the last twenty years seem to take what the table will give them using only running English and rely a lot on safety play if they get too far out of line, where the Asians for the most part will spin the hell out of the ball to get back in line to keep control of the table.

Most of the old time US players seem to play more like the Asians...like Earl and the era before him. I know I didn?t explain this very well but I hope you get my point. Johnnyt
 
I have noticed that they dont have as strong safety play as the Americans,but im sure in time that will come too,they are breeding them to play pool over there.This country really needs a billiard program.I would like to see some of the instructors start something locally,i mean if instructors in the US all decided to open there doors and have classes that were cheap or free for these young kids it would help pool alot,not just the level of play in the US but the industry also.Getting kids exposed to something early will reap rewards down the road and also be good to keep them out of trouble.:)
 
seymore15074 said:
I have not noticed this, but I have noticed that asian women are hot. :p
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I haven't noticed it either...



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I dont think its accurate to describe Asians as having a general style of play. So many players in so many countrys. Just consider the top 2 countries Taiwan and RP.

The Taiwanese all seem to play similar styles. It was mentioned that apparently they all patterned their style after Fong Pang Chao and is taught in their billiards program. IMO they dont necessarily use more english than the Americans possibly because they are used to having ideal table conditions.

The Filipinos, however, obviously like to juice the ball. To run out on nappy cloth slowed down by humidity and powder (in busy pool halls they refill the powder dispensers everyday) you have to spin the ball.
This IMO is what brought forth variety in their playing styles from Luat who strokes with a sidearm, Bustamante whom i kinda think of is kinda like locomotive with the arm pumping in a circle, to Manalo with a snooker background.
 
seymore15074 said:
I have not noticed this, but I have noticed that asian women are hot. :p
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i just got back from Brasil, the girls there give the Asian girls the 5 out and the breaks.


I understand JT about what your saying about the style of play, what I do see happining is americans ae going to be burnt toast if something dosent happen here, SVB and a few are all we got and they will have alot more top players if we dont get something organized soon.
 
Johnnyt said:
The one big thing (not the only reason) I feel is different about the American players and the Asian players are that the Asian players use a lot of spin/English for position. Most of the American players of the last twenty years seem to take what the table will give them using only running English and rely a lot on safety play if they get too far out of line, where the Asians for the most part will spin the hell out of the ball to get back in line to keep control of the table.
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One reason for this is that so many Asians have a three cushion billiards background. Three cushion really helps you master your cue ball and object ball paths for all hits.
 
sjm said:
One reason for this is that so many Asians have a three cushion billiards background. Three cushion really helps you master your cue ball and object ball paths for all hits.
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I agree with that. If you look at them when their trying to figure a kick or three or four rail position, they look at the table like a three cushion biliards player instead of a pool player. Johnnyt
 
What I see in mainland China is most players use running english, side spin than inside english. More likely to follow than draw. As for safety, its not there, its offensive ninety percent. Yeah I think it began in korea too with three cushioned billiards because when I played inside english or draw there it was a big nono. Running english off rails okok.
Taipei is different. If Archers game is anything to go by, then yeah americans do play too safe. :cool:
 
BlackDragon said:
As for safety, its not there, its offensive ninety percent
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imo this has got to be as a contributing factor as anything else. it's too focused on winning rather than learning. back in my apa days it frustrated the sheits out of me that 3s, 4s & 5s where hammered with defensive tactics all the time.
 
Johnnyt said:
Since I ran into health problems a few years ago and can longer play pool for anymore than a few minutes I?ve been watching hundreds of pros on TV and on the computer. The one big thing (not the only reason) I feel is different about the American players and the Asian players are that the Asian players use a lot of spin/English for position. Most of the American players of the last twenty years seem to take what the table will give them using only running English and rely a lot on safety play if they get too far out of line, where the Asians for the most part will spin the hell out of the ball to get back in line to keep control of the table.

Most of the old time US players seem to play more like the Asians...like Earl and the era before him. I know I didn?t explain this very well but I hope you get my point. Johnnyt
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I wonder....
This may be me totally talking out of my ar$e here, but I wonder if a lot of the difference in the playing styles between the Asians and Americans doesn't come from the different playing backgrounds.

What I mean is this, here in American the focus for pool for a lot of us is long gambling sets. A lot of your top tournament players here don't hit the major tournament trail until their gambling action is starting to dry up. In long gambling sets, playing the odds by ducking instead of shooting a semi-flier will usually net you the cash in the long run, because you'd rather have the guy come with a hail mary or even have him crap out than to sell out!

On the flip side, it appears to me (though I'm definitely no expert) the main focus of pool in most Asian countries like Taiwan, Thailand and China are shorter tournament style sets. Look how exhausted Yang was after playing Orcullo over several days and notice some of his comments about not being used to such long matches. Compared to the number of games Shane and Corey played in just two days, their match was barely a warm up. In short race tournament matches it pays to be agressive. Thus their focus on getting out once you're at the table and shooting for your hole.

I believe it was Nick Varner who's always said you can't duck your way into the finals. I think they definitely took that saying to heart and it appears to be solid advice!

Just my thoughts...
 
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