USA vs Russia 9 Ball Money Match

[smoochie]

My scale may differ from your scale, If you use the scale of

AAA
AA+
A
A-
B+
B
......

And so on, you get my drift here. Then my initial statement about Deluna being B is inaccurate, which I assume the scale that is used in most American pool and which most of you were thinking of.

The scale I was using with the statement of Deluna being B, is without the positive and negative signs, i.e. (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H..... and so on and so forth)

Which mean a B player is a pretty strong, just under the top 10 that you mentioned SJM, in my scale the A players are the elites only which are just 10 to 12 in the world and Deluna isn't one of them, in my scale deluna is a B.

But if you want me to use the above American Scale then sure Deluna is AA+ which is under the elites of AAA.

The elites being (SVB, Justin berg, Shaw, Chung, Filler, Fedor.....) and the same as sjm top 10's, I hope this clears what I meant by a B player.

Just to add on this, in my scale most people, the norms are between E and H.

Defining the scale is important, the B players in my scale are very strong players. But I get it that they don't look good in your scale but it is easy to convert between the two scales.

 

[sjm]

'B' player my ass. No clue what that dude thinks a B-player is.

I might define a "strong B player" as someone that needs 6 on the wire in a race to 11 for a fair match against DeLuna, but it's clear at this point that Smoochie uses a rating system different from what most of us use.

I agree that DeLuna is not on the top tier at pro level, but he's accomplished.

 

[AtLarge]

My scale may differ from your scale, If you use the scale of

AAA
AA+
A
A-
B+
B
......

And so on, you get my drift here. Then my initial statement about Deluna being B is inaccurate, which I assume the scale that is used in most American pool and which most of you were thinking of.

The scale I was using with the statement of Deluna being B, is without the positive and negative signs, i.e. (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H..... and so on and so forth)

Which mean a B player is a pretty strong, just under the top 10 that you mentioned SJM, in my scale the A players are the elites only which are just 10 to 12 in the world and Deluna isn't one of them, in my scale deluna is a B.

But if you want me to use the above American Scale then sure Deluna is AA+ which is under the elites of AAA.

The elites being (SVB, Justin berg, Shaw, Chung, Filler, Fedor.....) and the same as sjm top 10's, I hope this clears what I meant by a B player.

Just to add on this, in my scale most people, the norms are between E and H.

Defining the scale is important, the B players in my scale are very strong players. But I get it that they don't look good in your scale but it is easy to convert between the two scales.

OK; thanks for explaining. I agree that De Luna is not in the top 10 or 12 in the world, but he is fully capable of beating any of them in a given match. I take it you are not from the USA. Is the A, B, C, etc. scale you defined the normal way of thinking about about skill levels in many countries?

 

[skogstokig]

justin bergman deserves cred for steppin up, brave guy. a normal year i wouldn't watch this, not without a shot clock, but i'm starved enough for pro pool that i might actually watch it

 

[AtLarge]

justin bergman deserves cred for steppin up, brave guy. a normal year i wouldn't watch this, not without a shot clock, but i'm starved enough for pro pool that i might actually watch it

From Yurop? You up for an all-nighter or two?

 

[sjm]

justin bergman deserves cred for steppin up, brave guy. a normal year i wouldn't watch this, not without a shot clock, but i'm starved enough for pro pool that i might actually watch it

Well said. Justin is a superb player with a lot of heart and he reflects well on American pool. Stepping up to the plate here is gutsy. I'm sure I'll be one of many cheering for him when this match begins.

 

[Johnny Rosato]

I won't dare miss this match. I'll be betting on it too, but I ain't giving away any hints yet!

 

[PoolBum]

Oh Lawdy, I wish I was a B player!

 

[Welder84]

I normally don't judge by Fargo rating, I know most people do but not me because I feel that it takes into account the games played and not skilled by itself. For example if two guys play the same level but one plays all around the world while the other plays in his own country only, the first guy will have more points than the latter guy.

I know guys at 700 fargo whom I can beat, while I have 0 fargo fating because I don't compete in tournaments. Anyway, that is another matter.

I respect your opinion about world champions but for me I'll still hold my initial opinion. For the Deluna matchup versus Fedor I stated in that thread before the match that Fedor will destroy Deluna and I even stated that Fedor may win 100 to 70 against Deluna. I know Deluna very well he's not a caliber top player compered to the 10 of your list not even close.

To me Deluna is a show player, he's the guy who will draw his cue ball 3 to 4 rails to show off to the audience but thats all there's to it. I really believe that he's not a top player not even close so prior to Fedor match I said that this will be walk in the park for Fedor.

To me and I am sorry if this may offend some people but Deluna is just a high B player, for real.

Next matchup is between two AAA players, Fedor vs Justin - and I will still say Justin will come on top in long races. Maybe if it was a short race then Fedor may win, since it is a long race Justin will win by at least 10 games, remember this post if that happens.

I would never bet on Deluna for the reasons you stated (he tries to do to much with the cue ball) and makes to many goofy mistakes. However he is definitely a pro and still a monster player.

Deluna just needs some coaching (the B-player remark is ludicrous). He could probably spot most 700 players the last three balls in 10 ball.

 

[Black-Balled]

I normally don't judge by Fargo rating, I know most people do but not me because I feel that it takes into account the games played and not skilled by itself. For example if two guys play the same level but one plays all around the world while the other plays in his own country only, the first guy will have more points than the latter guy.

I know guys at 700 fargo whom I can beat, while I have 0 fargo fating because I don't compete in tournaments. Anyway, that is another matter.

I respect your opinion about world champions but for me I'll still hold my initial opinion. For the Deluna matchup versus Fedor I stated in that thread before the match that Fedor will destroy Deluna and I even stated that Fedor may win 100 to 70 against Deluna. I know Deluna very well he's not a caliber top player compered to the 10 of your list not even close.

To me Deluna is a show player, he's the guy who will draw his cue ball 3 to 4 rails to show off to the audience but thats all there's to it. I really believe that he's not a top player not even close so prior to Fedor match I said that this will be walk in the park for Fedor.

To me and I am sorry if this may offend some people but Deluna is just a high B player, for real.

Next matchup is between two AAA players, Fedor vs Justin - and I will still say Justin will come on top in long races. Maybe if it was a short race then Fedor may win, since it is a long race Justin will win by at least 10 games, remember this post if that happens.

Sounds like you and deluna might be a good match then. You can beat 700s and he's a high B....

 

[jasonlaus]

Fedor beat Aranas 30 to 17 tonight 9 ball

 

[jay helfert]

Curious... would it be better if games on the wire included a half game (15.5?) to avoid a push?

Not necessary. In making a line on a pool match, games on the wire means just that. So with 15 games on the wire, Justin needs only to get to 85 to win the bet. It's not a push, it's a win if he reaches that number. To lose this bet Justin must not get past 84.

 

[Black-Balled]

Not necessary. In making a line on a pool match, games on the wire means just that. So with 15 games on the wire, Justin needs only to get to 85 to win the bet. It's not a push, it's a win if he reaches that number. To lose this bet Justin must not get past 84.

Eeeyup. Like when orcullo give someone 14-4.

14-3 is actually the closest winning margin that he can allow.

 

[DieselPete]

Not necessary. In making a line on a pool match, games on the wire means just that. So with 15 games on the wire, Justin needs only to get to 85 to win the bet. It's not a push, it's a win if he reaches that number. To lose this bet Justin must not get past 84.

Thanks. I guess I was thinking about it in the football or basketball context, when the games end on the clock not at a "destination score." So, yes, if he reaches 85 (100 at 85+15), the opponent would be stuck on 99 (at best) and not have a chance to reach 100.

Funny thing is that I have played countless sets with games on the wire but never bet one someone else's, so I never thought about it in that context!

 

[mikepage]

LOL. Has there ever been a tougher field on American soil than that found at the 2019 Matchroom US Open 9-ball? If featured a field of 256, and the stars of both Europe and Asia came out in droves. Not only did DeLuna win a bronze medal in the event but, after crushing Pagulayan in the quarterfinal, he put a pretty big scare in Josh Filler in the semifinal.

The B players where you live must play pretty strong!

I'm not sure you need the "American Soil" qualifier.
This is an excerpt from one of our blog entries (fargorate.com/fargorateblog)

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[skogstokig]

From Yurop? You up for an all-nighter or two?

i'm seeing now that it's the same days as the predator event

 

[mikepage]

I normally don't judge by Fargo rating, I know most people do but not me because I feel that it takes into account the games played and not skilled by itself. For example if two guys play the same level but one plays all around the world while the other plays in his own country only, the first guy will have more points than the latter guy.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Gorst and Raga are both in the 820 vicinity. Gorst is all over the world, and Raga has half his games played in the Philippines and the rest elsewhere in Asia.
Raga's performance is about the same for games he's played at home and for games he's played in China/Japan. So he's have about the same rating if he had only games from home.

 

[Rimfirejunkie]

To me and I am sorry if this may offend some people but Deluna is just a high B player, for real.

Put the pipe down and go sit on your bean bag!

 

[sjm]

I'm not sure you need the "American Soil" qualifier.
This is an excerpt from one of our blog entries (fargorate.com/fargorateblog)

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Thanks for that, Mike. I just didn't have the knowledge to make as strong a statement as yours on this occasion.

 

[spartan]

I'm not sure you need the "American Soil" qualifier.
This is an excerpt from one of our blog entries (fargorate.com/fargorateblog)

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Nice post. I would guess that top 25 is enough to gauge strength of field since hardly anyone outside top 25 has won a major in recent years.
From your list , 2019 USO had 23 out of top 25 in the field - that is an incredible 92% easily the strongest