I sometimes use a decelerating stroke to kill the cue ball and for shooting certain delicate touch shots. Is this an error?
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Using a Decelerating Stoke
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As pooltchr said, it would be easier to control your speed and the cue ball by using your normal accelerating stroke.
Some of the adjustments you can make for finesse shots are to use your softest normal stroke and a shorter final backswing.
Some of the adjustments you can make for finesse shots are to use your softest normal stroke and a shorter final backswing.
One specific application, but a complete garbage stroke in general
Well if your talking about the DRAG DRAW shot i'm not so sure as to how well it would work with a good stroke
I say that b/c the stroke is utility for a long shot with speed that breaks backspin prior to contact with the OB...CB will just die......the object of the stroke is to take all the momentum out of the CB....and it works sweet when applied correctly...
Thats the only shot that I know of that I ever want to use a decelerating stroke on.....
Thats the only use in the world i've ever know to use that type of stroke.....because a decelerating stroke is for the birds! It doesn't move the ball and it kills what little action you aint getting anyways.
I play often and that drag draw comes up only once in a rare occasion. One dam type of shot out of many many types of shots....aint saying much for the effectivness of a decelerating stroke.
So there's a million things wrong with it and only one thing right....odds are good its poo poo lol
stinky,
-Grey Ghost-
Well if your talking about the DRAG DRAW shot i'm not so sure as to how well it would work with a good stroke
I say that b/c the stroke is utility for a long shot with speed that breaks backspin prior to contact with the OB...CB will just die......the object of the stroke is to take all the momentum out of the CB....and it works sweet when applied correctly...
Thats the only shot that I know of that I ever want to use a decelerating stroke on.....
Thats the only use in the world i've ever know to use that type of stroke.....because a decelerating stroke is for the birds! It doesn't move the ball and it kills what little action you aint getting anyways.
I play often and that drag draw comes up only once in a rare occasion. One dam type of shot out of many many types of shots....aint saying much for the effectivness of a decelerating stroke.
So there's a million things wrong with it and only one thing right....odds are good its poo poo lol
stinky,
-Grey Ghost-
Can you post a Cuetable example of a delicate shot you're describing. I am curious as to what this would look like.
I would think you could use a mini or micro stroke (very forward hand grip and very small if any back swing, as you can just push into the meaty area of your chest) to accomplish the same thing.
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your talking about a short finish....you choke up and dead end yourself at your FINISH SPOT at the beginning of the stroke. You can shoot close quarter no tip penetration shots like that.....but NO that stroke would not give the desired effect....the short finish will apply normal momentum and action to the CB, and thats not what we are looking for, the shot calls for CB action to fall off the CB like it had holes in its pockets..leaving it DOA, its sort of a type of replacement shot...where the CB takes the OB place and says cheeze
the shot the man is talking about is difficult b/c the margin for error on CB positioning is very small....and you can't roll the CB to the OB you have to shoot it with some force....the Drag draw increases your margin for error on this shot making position easier to achieve
you know how bangers always bunt and decelerate their stroke? It kills all their CB action and they have to stroke harder to do the same work?
Thats why that stroke works on a drag draw, the CB gets there but has lost all its action........I'd have to say you would see the use of it more on a felted BB with a little lean to it, thats where it would really be optimally effective.
I know you all are going to debate that but b/c of the inherent weakness in that stroke delivery it makes for a good benefit in ONLY one instance....which I have explained.
If that doesn't make sense then I don't know what does.....
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I use it a lot with balls that are hanging in the pocket or to "slide" in balls that are near the rail.
Sorry, but I don't know how to use the Cuetable.
It was something that developed subconsciously.
I think there may be some confusion between my idea of a decelerating stroke and the popular notion.
The best way I can describe it is sliding to the cue ball instead of stroking through the cue ball.
Thanks for the reply.
I'm having a hard time accurately describing what I'm talking about.
Thanks for the reply.
Its ok...its very hard to explain things with words as opposed to visuals or real life in person.
The types of shot you are describing and what i was explain are very diff animals....the former shot is a bottle neck with a small landing pad for the CB...
but your talking about for POCKETING your particualr shots....I'm talking about the use of the stroke for POST SHOT CB POSITIONING in one particular shot.
I was willing to go out on a limb and explain that stroke for that particular shot, but I DONT CONDONE nor do i recommend a DECELERATING stroke to pocket balls...not ever.
We are on two differient subjects, glad I cleared that up...i explained what i thought was the answer to your question but you were asking something differient. So i hope you understand what I was trying to explain lol.
and Steve what i was describing was not for speed control....its for CB travel....b/c of the situation speed can't control distance as well as forward/backspin rotation/s can....thats where the increased margin for error comes from. Its a safer shot since in the situations you can underroll but can't overroll the CB or your going to be hooked.
best wishes,
-Grey Ghost
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I use the stroke to control or check the cue ball's rolling distance after contact. I use it most often in straight pool. I don't know how else to describe it.
Go look up WEI pool table on yahoo/google and download it.
when you hit reply or post to put up a post.....look in the top right hand corner of the grey box your typing in and it will say WEI
click on that and set up your shots and copy the URL or html code and then go hit that WEI button in the forum typing box and paste your code you copied into the quotes.....all the buttons for the wei table are on the bottom of the programs table
you just drag and drop balls and can draw lines and stuff too.
Its easy....
That's exactly what it is, but I only use it to kill the cue ball on certain shots.
Thanks.
If it works for you, use it. The decelerating stroke is just about impossible to re-produce. Every shot is a little differtent....SPF=randyg
You can get the cue ball to slide into the object ball with your normal stroke. There are only two kinds of speed you can apply to the cue ball, directional and rotational. Both can be very well controlled with your standard stroke.
Steve
I think I know what you're talking about and I use it too. I think of it as choking off the follow-through - following through just a little instead of the normal length - and that might mean the stroke is decelerating a bit when it hits the cue ball. I use it when I want to put draw action on the ball but don't want the cue ball to travel too far - usually on close shots with about a 45 degree or more angle into the pocket. It's kind of like a nip shot.
Keeb...The OP doesn't even have to do that. There's a sticky on the front page about how to add a Cuetable diagram to any post. BTW, imo, you can use your normal stroke for any "draw-drag" shot. It's all about controlling the skid zone.
PhilosopherKing: I used to be just like you...too lazy to figure out the Cuetable stuff. Spend 30 minutes with the sticky on page 1, and LEARN it. It will make getting easy answers to your questions much easier to understand, and reply to.
On topic...a decellerating stroke is, as Randyg mentioned, nearly impossible to control or duplicate. Learn about your template and finish positions, and then you can teach yourself how to utilize the same swing for even very soft stroke shots. Finesse speed is, as mentioned, an advanced technique, and requires you to have mastered your normal stroke first. Otherwise, all you're doing is poking the CB. Also, you're very unlikely to be using a true 'slip stroke'. Almost nobody uses a slip stroke anymore. What I'll bet you're doing is letting the cue slide in your grip hand. That is not a slip stroke...it's a 'stroke slip'!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
PhilosopherKing: I used to be just like you...too lazy to figure out the Cuetable stuff. Spend 30 minutes with the sticky on page 1, and LEARN it. It will make getting easy answers to your questions much easier to understand, and reply to.
On topic...a decellerating stroke is, as Randyg mentioned, nearly impossible to control or duplicate. Learn about your template and finish positions, and then you can teach yourself how to utilize the same swing for even very soft stroke shots. Finesse speed is, as mentioned, an advanced technique, and requires you to have mastered your normal stroke first. Otherwise, all you're doing is poking the CB. Also, you're very unlikely to be using a true 'slip stroke'. Almost nobody uses a slip stroke anymore. What I'll bet you're doing is letting the cue slide in your grip hand. That is not a slip stroke...it's a 'stroke slip'!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Using a decelerating stroke
Shoot the shot with a striped ball if the ball is sliding and breaks just as it gets to the object ball when you do it perfect, it's a drag draw shot. I was told by someone knowledgeable that Mike Sigel could tell you how many times the cue ball would turn before it broke just before the object ball as far away as a spot shot. I am sure others can also, wheres Grady.
Shoot the shot with a striped ball if the ball is sliding and breaks just as it gets to the object ball when you do it perfect, it's a drag draw shot. I was told by someone knowledgeable that Mike Sigel could tell you how many times the cue ball would turn before it broke just before the object ball as far away as a spot shot. I am sure others can also, wheres Grady.