VEPP online video clips

Sorry, Sean, I got off on a tangent and didn't address your question :-)

I think your suggestion is the minimum that could be done. However, the bottom-line is that not everyone reads the sub-forums. Lets face it: the Main Forum is, well, the Main Forum. I think there should be some provisos for guys like Dave and Bob to have their stuff advertised here. I mean, we're going to be stuck with Geno's thread (or some variant of it) forever.

Lou Figueroa

These are all good comments that people have but I think they belong in a separate thread as we're unintentionally hijacking this thread.

If we can start a new thread about sub-forums other people may see it and contribute too. Equally important is that the moderators read the suggestions so they can follow-up on it.
 
These are all good comments that people have but I think they belong in a separate thread as we're unintentionally hijacking this thread.

If we can start a new thread about sub-forums other people may see it and contribute too. Equally important is that the moderators read the suggestions so they can follow-up on it.


I think I'm done and I've said what I wanted to say. Sorry for the hijack.

As to the mods following up...who knows how that works. Lately, they always seem to be looking the other way.

Lou Figueroa
 
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I think I'm done and I've said what I wanted to say. Sorry for the hijack.

As to the mods following up...who knows how that works. Lately, they always seem to be looking the other way.

Lou Figueroa

I'm done, too -- said my piece (in peace!), offered a suggestion, and come what may.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I've been roped and commandeered ( ;) ) into chopping some veggies and making stuffing, so I'll be offline much of today anyway.

-Sean
 
I'm done, too -- said my piece (in peace!), offered a suggestion, and come what may.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I've been roped and commandeered ( ;) ) into chopping some veggies and making stuffing, so I'll be offline much of today anyway.

-Sean


Same to you and yours, Sean. My bird is brining and almost done -- very soon I will be in full chef mode too. Thankfully, the chef is allowed to indulge in some very fine Chardonnay while toiling away :-)

Lou Figueroa
 

Thanks for posting the links.

I had already seen them via youtube subscription. I subscribe your submissions and to several posters here on the forum.

Thanks again for putting them in one place.


 

Thanks for posting the links.

I had already seen them via youtube subscription. I subscribe your submissions and to several posters here on the forum.

Thanks again for putting them in one place.
You're very welcome. I thought most people would appreciate having access to the clips so they could view them if they so desired. However, obviously, there are quite a few people on this forum who are somehow offended by the videos. The videos do contain a little "advertising," but they also contain some useful information and advice. I personally don't mind a little advertising when I get stuff for free, but I can see how some people might not like this. However, nobody is forcing them to click on the links to view the videos. And nobody is forcing them to read the thread.

I guess you can't please everybody.:confused:

Regards,
Dave
 
I have no dog in this fight.

That said, I read MANY, MANY, MANY threads in the main forum soliciting sales of streamed pool matches, PPVs of pool tournaments, instructional DVDs, books, et cetera. Nobody moves those threads.

I'm not sure I understand why the thread in question by Dr. Dave was moved.

I will say, though, that some industry members wouldn't earn one red cent if it weren't for them hawking their wares on AzBilliards Discussion Forum.

Maybe if they bought one of those banners, it would be one way to contribute to AzBilliards, to include its forum. I'm not sure how much the banners on AzBilliards cost, but I would venture to guess they have a 3-month deal.

Just a thought! :)
 
I have no dog in this fight.

That said, I read MANY, MANY, MANY threads in the main forum soliciting sales of streamed pool matches, PPVs of pool tournaments, instructional DVDs, books, et cetera. Nobody moves those threads.

I'm not sure I understand why the thread in question by Dr. Dave was moved.

I will say, though, that some industry members wouldn't earn one red cent if it weren't for them hawking their wares on AzBilliards Discussion Forum.

Maybe if they bought one of those banners, it would be one way to contribute to AzBilliards, to include its forum. I'm not sure how much the banners on AzBilliards cost, but I would venture to guess they have a 3-month deal.

Just a thought! :)


Some good points -- specifically the sale of streams.

What's the difference?

Lou Figueroa
 
As a new member here, I can tell you how I see what has happened in these forums in regards to Dr. Dave. Of course I'm just a noob and this is just my interpretation, for whatever that's worth.

Dr. Dave announced the availability of a new product in the Main Forum. Some long time members took exception to this announcement. Not because they thought the announcement was in the wrong forum, but because they disagreed with Dr. Dave's assessment of the CTE aiming system. Some of the long time members seemed to believe that Dr. Dave was plagiarizing the work of other respected members by posting CTE's "secrets" on his website. While others seemed to take it personal that Dr. Dave disagreed with the usefulness of CTE. Other posts in this forum contain Dr. Dave's reasons for seeing CTE as being an aiming system with flaws. The advocates of CTE have taken this as an outright attack and feel justified in responding in kind.

One or more of the CTE supporters pointed out that Dr. Dave was selling something, so it should be in the For Sale Forum and not the Main Forum. The For Sale Forum is dominated with cues being sold, and those posts are routinely bumped to bring them back up to the top of the list. This insures that Dr. Dave's new DVD would quickly get lost in the shuffle, which was the intention of the CTE supporters.

Was this unfair? I think it was. The main forum had several posts "announcing" DVDs, books, lessons, etc. (e.g. "Break & Run", "The Legends Instructional Series", "Need a House Pro", "Confessions of a Pool Hustler", etc.). Only with Dr. Dave's announcement was it decided to enforce the "For Sale" rules. Personally, I like seeing this kind of material in the Main Forum (as long as it is not being "bumped"). So it seems to me that the unwritten rule that instructional material can be "announced" in the Main Forum is a pretty reasonable rule -- especially since that seems to have been the unwritten rule prior to Dr. Dave making his announcement.

The way I see it is that the moderators have slighted Dr. Dave, who has been a long time contributor to these forums. Like I said, I'm just a noob, so you're free to just dismiss my opinion, but that's the way I see it.

BTW, I've ordered Dr. Dave's DVDs, and I'll have to give them a review once I receive them.
 
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Dr. Dave announced the availability of a new product in the Main Forum. Some long time members took exception to this announcement. Not because they thought the announcement was in the wrong forum, but because they disagreed with Dr. Dave's assessment of the CTE aiming system. Some of the long time members seemed to believe that Dr. Dave was plagiarizing the work of other respected members by posting CTE's "secrets" on his website. While others seemed to take it personal that Dr. Dave disagreed with the usefulness of CTE. Other posts in this forum contain Dr. Dave's reasons for seeing CTE as being an aiming system with flaws. The advocates of CTE have taken this as an outright attack and feel justified in responding in kind.

Was this unfair? I think it was. The main forum had several posts "announcing" DVDs, books, lessons, etc. (e.g. "Break & Run", "The Legends Instructional Series", "Need a House Pro", "Confessions of a Pool Hustler", etc.). Only with Dr. Dave's announcement was it decided to enforce the "For Sale" rules. Personally, I like seeing this kind of material in the Main Forum (as long as it is not being "bumped"). So it seems to me that the unwritten rule that instructional material can be "announced" in the Main Forum is a pretty reasonable rule -- especially since that seems to have been the unwritten rule prior to Dr. Dave making his announcement.

The way I see it is that the moderators have slighted Dr. Dave, who has been a long time contributor to these forums. Like I said, I'm just a noob, so you're free to just dismiss my opinion, but that's the way I see it.

Greenie for you as your assessment is right on target. The CTE/ProOne supporters are being hypocritical in trying to retaliate for the negative reviews of their aiming systems.
 
I know I have learned a ton of stuff from Dr. Daves material over the years. Most of it for free. I also know Dave has spent alot of time testing and answering questions about many issues, for free. It's not like the guy spams, or wont talk to you unless you buy something. Theres always plenty of free content posted whether you buy more or not. Good quality, intereting stuff too. If he makes a few bucks in the process, good for him. I have seen Dave called some pretty low things in here, all uncalled for. This shouldnt even be an issue.
 
i think someone told me to stop crying in this thread, i think that should have been directed at dr dave. If his product is good and people think he is a genuine quality guy his product will sell, even without him spamming at every opportunity, dr Dave has pushed his product directly and/or indirectly in every thread he pretty much posted in for the last year or so that i have seen and more than everyone else combined pushing stuff for sale on here.

With cte/pro1, its AZ members and customers of the product wanting to talk and start threads about it. maybe dr dave should stop directing people away from this site too, i know i wouldn't like that if i owned this site.
 
Get a life Champ. Wipe the tears..........

im not the one wiping tears away because they moved my thread, im just passing the time while working and being entertained by saps like you who are oblivious to whats real and whats not. i am just leaving my my opinion on a message board almost like every one else <<<< did you get that last sentence lol
 
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Champ. If you drive Dave away you will create a void in AZ billiards community.

If you disappear there will be another troll just around the corner.
 
Champ. If you drive Dave away you will create a void in AZ billiards community.

If you disappear there will be another troll just around the corner.

Well if you want to look at it that way im sure dr dave would also be replaced by someone else seeing an opportunity to make a buck off this site. I guess you have not looked at youtube and noticed there are tons of informative videos like his for free that you are paying for :thumbup: this kind of reminds me of that scene from good will hunting when there at the bar, in all different ways :)
 
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As a new member here, I can tell you how I see what has happened in these forums in regards to Dr. Dave. Of course I'm just a noob and this is just my interpretation, for whatever that's worth.

Dr. Dave announced the availability of a new product in the Main Forum. Some long time members took exception to this announcement. Not because they thought the announcement was in the wrong forum, but because they disagreed with Dr. Dave's assessment of the CTE aiming system. Some of the long time members seemed to believe that Dr. Dave was plagiarizing the work of other respected members by posting CTE's "secrets" on his website. While others seemed to take it personal that Dr. Dave disagreed with the usefulness of CTE. Other posts in this forum contain Dr. Dave's reasons for seeing CTE as being an aiming system with flaws. The advocates of CTE have taken this as an outright attack and feel justified in responding in kind.

One or more of the CTE supporters pointed out that Dr. Dave was selling something, so it should be in the For Sale Forum and not the Main Forum. The For Sale Forum is dominated with cues being sold, and those posts are routinely bumped to bring them back up to the top of the list. This insures that Dr. Dave's new DVD would quickly get lost in the shuffle, which was the intention of the CTE supporters.

Was this unfair? I think it was. The main forum had several posts "announcing" DVDs, books, lessons, etc. (e.g. "Break & Run", "The Legends Instructional Series", "Need a House Pro", "Confessions of a Pool Hustler", etc.). Only with Dr. Dave's announcement was it decided to enforce the "For Sale" rules. Personally, I like seeing this kind of material in the Main Forum (as long as it is not being "bumped"). So it seems to me that the unwritten rule that instructional material can be "announced" in the Main Forum is a pretty reasonable rule -- especially since that seems to have been the unwritten rule prior to Dr. Dave making his announcement.

The way I see it is that the moderators have slighted Dr. Dave, who has been a long time contributor to these forums. Like I said, I'm just a noob, so you're free to just dismiss my opinion, but that's the way I see it.

BTW, I've ordered Dr. Dave's DVDs, and I'll have to give them a review once I receive them.
For being a "noob," you sure hit the nail on the head, IMO.

I look forward to your unbiased and honest opinion and review of VEPP, even if it isn't flattering.

I think one issue you haven't mentioned is that quite a few people, even some non-CTE people, don't like it when I link to online instructional resources on my main "Illustrated Principles" website. They claim this is spamming. Obviously, I strongly disagree. Anyone who has visited my educational website (billiards.colostate.edu) knows that "spam" is not a very accurate description. The links I provide are always pertinent to the topic being discussed and usually directly answer most of the questions being asked. These instructional resources (videos, articles, illustrations, summaries, etc.) sometimes have links to my commercial website (dr-dave-billiards.com), but only when I have a instructional product that offers strong support and additional resources for the particular topic.

I think most people think the links I provide to online resources (from me and others) are appropriate and add value to the AZB threads. Obviously some people disagree, especially the "CTE people." As I've said many times: If they don't like the links and supporting resources, then they shouldn't click on the links. I'm sure many other people appreciate these links. I certainly appreciate it when other people provide links to free and useful online resources.

Regards,
Dave
 
someone is trying to "suck and blow" at the same time. I gave you a great link in my first post, its one of my favs, hope you checked it out! :thumbup:
 
For being a "noob," you sure hit the nail on the head, IMO.

I look forward to your unbiased and honest opinion and review of VEPP, even if it isn't flattering.

I think one issue you haven't mentioned is that quite a few people, even some non-CTE people, don't like it when I link to online instructional resources on my main "Illustrated Principles" website. They claim this is spamming. Obviously, I strongly disagree. Anyone who has visited my educational website (billiards.colostate.edu) knows that "spam" is not a very accurate description. The links I provide are always pertinent to the topic being discussed and usually directly answer most of the questions being asked. These instructional resources (videos, articles, illustrations, summaries, etc.) sometimes have links to my commercial website (dr-dave-billiards.com), but only when I have a instructional product that offers strong support and additional resources for the particular topic.

I think most people think the links I provide to online resources (from me and others) are appropriate and add value to the AZB threads. Obviously some people disagree, especially the "CTE people." As I've said many times: If they don't like the links and supporting resources, then they shouldn't click on the links. I'm sure many other people appreciate these links. I certainly appreciate it when other people provide links to free and useful online resources.

Regards,
Dave

Sorry, Dr. Dave, but it was a nice try.

Let's get the facts straight. Those of us that have an issue with your linking, do not have those issues because we perceive it as "spam." Rather, the following are the reasons:

1. Your obsessive-compulsive nature to link multiple times, not only in the same post, but in the same paragraph, and even in a single sentence(!) to very same resource page on your website. I mean, really, Dr. Dave -- is it really necessary to link every other word to the same page because you are trying to catch the user's mouse pointer as fast as it moves over the words on the screen?

2. Instead of adding value to the AZB forums by clearly inserting the information into your forum posts (with attribution [and a link] to your site, if you want), you are instead siphoning users away from the AZB forums. In effect, you are directing traffic to your website at the expense of that user's experience here on AZB. What you are doing is, in essence, saying to the user "you won't find the answer here on your favorite website AZB -- instead you should come hither to my site to find the answer you're looking for." That's pretty parasitic, wouldn't you agree?

It wouldn't be so bad if you just inserted a quick blurb that gives the user a taste for the information that answers their question, and ask them to refer to your website (via a link) to get more detailed info. Instead, you just lock-stock-and-barrel say, "click here" and "click here" and "click here" and... oh yes, I guess all of those point to the same resource page, don't they?

Yes, we know your "resource pages" are free, and that you're not advertising a commercial product, unless it's the VEPS and VEPPS products. You're not known to go into other people's threads advertising those commercial products at every turn, unlike a couple of abusers who will not be named. We realize when you link, it's to a free information resource site. That's not the issue. It's the obsessive-compulsive linking to those resource pages as the sole answer to people's questions.

It's not spam, but it is a gross misuse of the linking concept. You've been HTMLing for a while, now, Dr. Dave. Please, get up to speed on HTML best practices (e.g. RFCs, IETF documents, etc.). I can point you to some, if you like?

Now, having said all that, did you happen to catch my earlier post where I commended you for all the good will you've "socked into the bank" here on AZB, and that you should be allowed some leniency with product advertisements, because you clearly are a contributing member, and not somebody out to get a free blood meal from every poster?

Respectfully,
-Sean
 
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