Well, maybe, but as badly as I play the shot, it could take a lot of time on an expensive high-speed camera to capture that. I do know that the shot needs lots of outside english.Rarelymisses said:
Vernon Elliott's impossible cross-side bank
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With as much outside english as you can muster and maybe a touch of draw. The goal is to have only side spin when the cue ball gets to the object ball. Avoid clean, polished balls -- you want to maximize throw.Fatboy said:
Bob,
thanks thats what I thought just a touch of draw, i'm no champion by any streach, I was a A- player on my best days years ago, I say that so you have some insight to my experience. I noticed that in general if you put a touch draw you can get a bit more outside english on the ball, I think its because you get a milli-second more tip time on the rock and thus a bit more english-do you agree?
thanks thats what I thought just a touch of draw, i'm no champion by any streach, I was a A- player on my best days years ago, I say that so you have some insight to my experience. I noticed that in general if you put a touch draw you can get a bit more outside english on the ball, I think its because you get a milli-second more tip time on the rock and thus a bit more english-do you agree?
No, I think it is because as the cue ball moves away from the tip, the draw will slow it down but little of the side will be lost. This means that the cue ball will have an increased amount of side for a given speed. This is an important concept covered lots of places but nowhere more thoroughly than in Ron Shepard's paper on billiard physics, "Amateur Physics for the Amateur Pool Player."Fatboy said:
For those of you who missed the string, Joe Tucker has a much better video of the shot, including placing the object ball another ball below the side pocket and then overcutting the shot. Joe shoots the shot differently, aiming into the cushion. He makes it 3 out of 4 tries. Scary.Bob Jewett said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU
I think I need to get one of those thingies he's using.
That's why people who can do them and who are smart usually make you pay for the privilege of seeing it done.
I have seen this shot, the cross corner bank, and many other "impossible" shots over the years.
One year Hillbilly was busting all comers with the cross corner for about an hour on one of the tables at DCC. My friend Craig brought it back to Arkansas and practiced it until he could do it one in ten tries.
I can make about 1 in 100 tries but my arm usually falls off before getting close. These type of shots will absolutely frustrate the average player with an inconsistent stroke.
If you EVER in your life had a thought that MAYBE you weren't hitting the cueball or the object ball where you THINK you are aiming then shots like these will CONFIRM it for you.
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here is joe tucker making these shots one two and three balls width from the side pocket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zkjVkotFA&feature=channel_page
here is joe tucker making these shots one two and three balls width from the side pocket http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zkjVkotFA&feature=channel_page
Watching Joe do that makes me either want to practice like the devil or burn my cues. Some shootin Joe! WOW!!
Vernon's shot
Not too long before Vernon had the stroke that paralyzed his left side I was talking with him about this shot. For over an hour I placed the object ball on the rail and watched him shoot it. I thought there was some trick he employed ie, masseing into the ball but he had me stand behind him and beside him as he practiced the shot. He never elevated the cue. His cue was level and delivered straight thru to CB. It is a pure stroke shot. About a year ago, long after Vernon's stroke, Rafael Martinez was in town for a tournament and I introduce he and Vernon. I told Rafael about Vernon's shot and he said he too could make it. After nearly 2 hours of shooting he did indeed finally make the shot. He used extreme side spin and a slightly elevated cue when shooting it. Vernon said that was the reason it took Rafael so many shots to make it. Vernon always tried to get as many shots as possible when betting, (and he never shot it for exhibition) but he said if he had as many as 10 attempts it was a lock.
Not too long before Vernon had the stroke that paralyzed his left side I was talking with him about this shot. For over an hour I placed the object ball on the rail and watched him shoot it. I thought there was some trick he employed ie, masseing into the ball but he had me stand behind him and beside him as he practiced the shot. He never elevated the cue. His cue was level and delivered straight thru to CB. It is a pure stroke shot. About a year ago, long after Vernon's stroke, Rafael Martinez was in town for a tournament and I introduce he and Vernon. I told Rafael about Vernon's shot and he said he too could make it. After nearly 2 hours of shooting he did indeed finally make the shot. He used extreme side spin and a slightly elevated cue when shooting it. Vernon said that was the reason it took Rafael so many shots to make it. Vernon always tried to get as many shots as possible when betting, (and he never shot it for exhibition) but he said if he had as many as 10 attempts it was a lock.