Video: Break Ball off the stack

Blackjack

Blackjack

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I just posted a video of a shot that I made about a year ago. I ran 128 balls, and this is the break ball that I had going for 113. I posted a few diagrams here on the forum about this shot, some people said it was impossible - others said that they had seen it before - and in the video I show it in slow motion you will see how I made it. The other day I decided to give a try to share it with everybody here - it's a cool shot.

FWIW, only idiots get shape like that on their break ball, however you learn more about the game by making mistakes like this one.

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That's a nice shot. Making orange juice out of lemmons:p .

I hit that once, and made it first time. But as luck would have it, it was only luck, because the next three times I have tried it, I got to sit in the chair:angry: .

Any other stuff would be great to see.

Pete
 
Pete said:
That's a nice shot. Making orange juice out of lemmons:p .

I hit that once, and made it first time. But as luck would have it, it was only luck, because the next three times I have tried it, I got to sit in the chair:angry: .

Any other stuff would be great to see.

Pete
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Yeah, I've come up short like that plenty of times and have tried to play it off the stack. Sometimes I make it and most times I don't. It feels good when it goes in though.

I don't understand how anyone could say it's impossible, Blackjack.
MULLY
 
Blackjack said:
I just posted a video of a shot that I made about a year ago. I ran 128 balls, and this is the break ball that I had going for 113. I posted a few diagrams here on the forum about this shot, some people said it was impossible - others said that they had seen it before - and in the video I show it in slow motion you will see how I made it. The other day I decided to give a try to share it with everybody here - it's a cool shot.

FWIW, only idiots get shape like that on their break ball, however you learn more about the game by making mistakes like this one.

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Got you to an eventual 128? Awesome!

I likewise made this shot to get to....wait....wait for it....12! On my way to a sterling....fabulous....26! I'm coming, 30, you just wait. :D

Seriously, though, it was a fun shot to shoot. I only shot it because the friend I was playing had to quit at 3 PM, and it was like 2:50. I was already down 81-33 so I figured, what the hell. At least I got it down to 81-59 by the time he left.
 
Wow - I like that.. Never would've thought of it!

Are you hitting it off the corner ball or the ball on the outside of the second row? It's hard to tell in the video.
 
md5key said:
Wow - I like that.. Never would've thought of it!

Are you hitting it off the corner ball or the ball on the outside of the second row? It's hard to tell in the video.
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You can actually hit it off any ball on the side of the stack as long as you hit the tangent line going to the pocket. One warning though, you'll have more success with a ball lower in the stack, like the corner or second ball, because when you hit higher in the stack then you're having to compete with balls coming out of the stack that could knock your ball off it's line. Of course at the speed BlackJack hit it at I don't think the balls would have time to get out there to block you. Still, lower in the rack is safer.
MULLY
isn't there an off the stack break like this in The Hustler?
 
Blackjack said:
I just posted a video of a shot that I made about a year ago. I ran 128 balls, and this is the break ball that I had going for 113. I posted a few diagrams here on the forum about this shot, some people said it was impossible - others said that they had seen it before - and in the video I show it in slow motion you will see how I made it. The other day I decided to give a try to share it with everybody here - it's a cool shot. ...
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I think when people first see the position they don't realize that the object ball can hit two balls in the rack to get more than a 90-degree change in angle. I think I made it the second time I tried it, much to my amazement.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think when people first see the position they don't realize that the object ball can hit two balls in the rack to get more than a 90-degree change in angle. I think I made it the second time I tried it, much to my amazement.
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You are correct, Bob. I believe that the one ball hits the second ball and then glances off the corner ball.

During the actual run, I did not hit the shot as quick as I do in this video. It's a fun shot to play around with - I also have a shot where I play the break ball off the corner ball from behind the stack., I'll try to get some footage of that shot as well.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think when people first see the position they don't realize that the object ball can hit two balls in the rack to get more than a 90-degree change in angle. .
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I use this concept often when playing safeties. The cueball doesn't tranfer as much of its force when you carom off of two balls like this, so the balls don't move as much.
 
This works too.

Anyone seen this one? I kick the OB into the back of the stack with major follow and about a half tip of right, which then goes (roughly) into the corner pocket, cueball mid field. This comes up mostly when you leave whitey in the rack when trying to play behind the stack. Not exactly high percentage, but try it if you get bored or want to keep a run going. I get it on the second try....after tweaking it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox55asEIqLA

justin.
 
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Great shot, Justin!

I am sure that everybody has scratched off the side of the stack and off the back of the stack - basically you can manipulate the object balls into the pocket the same way - just learn where they have to go off the stack to deflect into the pocket.
 
Blackjack said:
I just posted a video of a shot that I made about a year ago. I ran 128 balls, and this is the break ball that I had going for 113. I posted a few diagrams here on the forum about this shot, some people said it was impossible - others said that they had seen it before - and in the video I show it in slow motion you will see how I made it. The other day I decided to give a try to share it with everybody here - it's a cool shot.

FWIW, only idiots get shape like that on their break ball, however you learn more about the game by making mistakes like this one.

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Great shot!

I love your avatar.
 
Cameron Smith said:
Great shot!

I love your avatar.
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I just missed a shot on that 1 ball to end my run. The 1 ball was about 6 inches from the pocket - nothing blocking it - and like the Junior Einstein that I is - I hit it directly into the rail like I was trying to bank it or something. That picture is my reaction.

The run was only about 30-35 balls - so no biggie - but it is a great picture.

lol
 
Lmao, that is an absolute classic Dave, I've had that same reaction as well on a few occasions, which is usually followed by the question... "What the heck am I doing? " :) lol

I've not watched the video yet, but I have on occasion play a break ball off the stack if in a situation that I'm laying up for a traditional break, but wind up with either too steep an angle or if the BB is a little too close to the rack, which is a rare occurance, but can and does happen from time to time :)

Willie
 
i think one of the wildest and craziest i've ever seen was when a guy jacked up on the end rail banked a ball 1291872 mph two rails into the back of the stack and made it in the corner ala my post.

oh and yes, he called it, two rails and all. i'll try and figure out cuetable and post it. everytime i try it i can't ever get the OB past the last diamond. to this day i don't know if he just took a flyer because he thought it might go and it was a fluke, or if he knew the shot before. we weren't gambling so he just fired away.

i think one pocket helps with this and vice versa. early on in a one pocket game when there is still the "heart" of the stack there are a few deft and eye popping/head scratching moves and banks off balls that can be executed with little risk of selling out.

justin.
 
mullyman said:
Yeah, I've come up short like that plenty of times and have tried to play it off the stack. Sometimes I make it and most times I don't. It feels good when it goes in though.

I don't understand how anyone could say it's impossible, Blackjack.
MULLY
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I agree. I have tried similiar shots, several times, while practicing.

The way I see it....as many times as I've seen people hit an 8 ball rack wrong and scratch in the corner pocket....it might be a consistent shot, if I could figure it out.
 
Blackjack said:
FWIW, only idiots get shape like that on their break ball, however you learn more about the game by making mistakes like this one.
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BJ,
Too cool.

On Monday I made a similar shot for the first time - game ball in a match against "sunnyday" (so at least I have a witness if not a cool video like yours.....damnit, I wish I had a video......wait......only idiots end up shooting this.....please disregard this post).
 
Williebetmore said:
BJ,
Too cool.

On Monday I made a similar shot for the first time - game ball in a match against "sunnyday" (so at least I have a witness if not a cool video like yours.....damnit, I wish I had a video......wait......only idiots end up shooting this.....please disregard this post).
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I got the cool shot on video.

You got to shoot with sunnyday.

Sorry, but hands down you are the winner in this scenario.

:killingme:
 
Blackjack said:
I got the cool shot on video.

You got to shoot with sunnyday.

Sorry, but hands down you are the winner in this scenario.

:killingme:
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BJ,
You are very, very astute. It was wise for you to concede.


P.S. - we have had a couple of long sessions of straight pool; but I am uncertain whether I have yet convinced her of the superiority of 14.1 over other inferior forms of pool. She plays well; and I have a feeling that her game is going to just explode over the next year or two.....just a hunch.
 
Had this in a game last night. This was the situation. It was the last frame, we always decide how many frames we're going to play instead of just going got the total score, anyway, it was the last frame going to 75pts. It was tied at 69, we were both short of the goal. I came around the table too far, way too far, and ended up like this. I really didn't have anything to lose. Tie score or I make the break ball and hopefully get the remaining balls I needed. Anyway, I looked at my friend and said "what the hell, corner" and I took a swing at this and just barely missed it. It was so close we were both oohing and aaahing over it. Had it been earlier in the game with remaining frames I wouldn't have even considered it, but I figured what the hell. Anyway, if someone has the cojones that shot is there in a pinch.......and if you're nuts.
MULLY
the kiss into the lower corner wasn't there at all

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