Video- My thought process on insurance, please critique

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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I was stumped a couple of shots after the break, and turned on the camera. Please let me know about my thought process for breaking out the 3 and 7 balls and keeping an insurance ball. They ended up in a funny spot to me, and I was worried when hitting them with the CB, I'd be stuck. The shot in question is at the beginning of the video.

Feel free to watch the rest. It goes black for a min near the end, I lost the camera unfortunately, but when it comes back online, there was a nice shot I picked out in the next rack:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgR_bsIBVXI&feature=youtu.be
 
iusedtoberich said:
I was stumped a couple of shots after the break, and turned on the camera. Please let me know about my thought process for breaking out the 3 and 7 balls and keeping an insurance ball. They ended up in a funny spot to me, and I was worried when hitting them with the CB, I'd be stuck. The shot in question is at the beginning of the video.

Feel free to watch the rest. It goes black for a min near the end, I lost the camera unfortunately, but when it comes back online, there was a nice shot I picked out in the next rack:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgR_bsIBVXI&feature=youtu.be
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Nick,
You ask about breaking the 7 from the 3 ... At the very beginning of the video - your first shot ... I think the ball you are shooting is the 9. Why not just play that ball off the 7 and into the pocket? Even if you just brushed it - it would either move the 7 like I show in the image below, or lined it up better for the combo.

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If the 1 was "insurance" then ... Explain to me WHY you shot off the 6 ball (your break ball). I'm just curious. You only shoot off your break ball when you have no other options - and you had several options.

The balls that were lined together - just me - but I would tried to manufacture a better break ball from one of those 3 balls. If you go back and watch - you had about 6 different ways that you could have done that. JMO.

After pocketing the 6 ... the 8 then became your most viable option for a break ball ... with the 1 in the side as your key ball - or you could have shot in down in the corner and still got good on the 8. JMO.

You ended up having to use a rail to get position on your break ball - and you ended up on the wrong side of it. When the ball is that far away from the rack, accuracy comes into play with

a) pocketing the break ball
b) contacting the stack


Being on the wrong side of the ball, more times than not, you have to sacrifice accuracy for one to achieve the other. We don't get to see the break shot - but it looks like you found that out the hard way.
 
On shooting the 5 ball: It looks like you might have had a good natural angle to follow into the 3 ball, but I can't tell from here. Was that a consideration, or were you dead set on using the 15?

I don't think I would have had the nerve to carom the 9 off the 7.
 
I agree with Dan on the carom. Off angle and at 18" apart it looks like a low percentage shot. I will watch the whole video later.

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center pocket said:
I agree with Dan on the carom. Off angle and at 18" apart it looks like a low percentage shot. I will watch the whole video later.

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I was told a long time ago, that you only learn how to make em by going for em - I'm not saying it's the correct shot - he asked how to get them apart ... and that was the shot I saw first. :D
 
Thanks all for the feedback. I'm out of time right now but will get back to the thread in a couple days, and maybe recreate the shots and try them again.
 
Yep, it wouldn't have cost him anything in a practice session, except to try it again.

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Blackjack said:
I was told a long time ago, that you only learn how to make em by going for em - I'm not saying it's the correct shot - he asked how to get them apart ... and that was the shot I saw first. :D
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It looks like you can pocket the nine and nudge the stripe, keeping the cue ball on the left side of the table. I would try to hit it hard enough to get that stripe toward the rail or just to avoid it interfering with the 6 or the 4. The five will move a few inches up table but should remain below the side pocket. You could probably shoot the five next and then proceed to clear away the 15, then the 11 and then the 14? (stripe nearest the rail on the left side) with the goal being to make shape on the one ball. You want to be in position to pocket the one in the side and send the cue ball of the long rail toward the 3-7 cluster. I would try to hit the 3 ball on its left side. a successful hit will leave either a simple shot on the 7 to continue a pattern that would result in shape on 8 as a keyball. At worst I may be left with a bank on the 7 or the 3 disturbing my break ball. In this scenario the stripe that you nudged over to rail may become a second keyball option to get on the 4. If you don't like coming off the one to break the cluster, you can pocket the 8 in the corner and make shape for the 6 with an angle to follow down to break the cluster.
 
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