Video of my stroke and 3-ball practice

xidica said:
Hey folks, still playing with the new camera.

I took this video of three balls into the side pocket to see what I'm doing on my pre-shot, address, etc

If you guys have any comments (positive or constructive) I *really* would appreciate hearing them. Thanks!!!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1579646603

Thanks!


Just my passing thoughts...

I feel you have too much up and down in your stroke. I didn't see your back elbow, but you can see the butt of the cue lifting in your back stroke. You may be stroking/dropping your elbow before you hit the CB, which can lead to miscues and having to hit harder to get good draw off the CB.


Eric
 
Thank you for the feedback. I do also believe that's correct and need to eliminate it.

Not to mention I had a few rumplemints (stumbemints) and 6 beers :D

Cheers!
 
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I like your t-shirt but you need help with your game. How long have you been playing?
Pinocchio
 
Well...where do I start?
First of all, you need to be consistant. You took 4 practices strokes on the first ball, 3 on the other two. You need to do the SAME THING on EVERY shot. I'd also like to see your cue more level and your chin down closer to the cue. You need to also work on a pause in your stroke. Watch Buddy, Allison, many of the greats have a definate pause. You can pause with the tip at the cueball on your last practice stroke or even better...pause at the moment your back swing is extended fully back on your last practice stroke. I asked Allie why she does this...she said it makes her much more accurate. It eliminates in cue stick wobble (like it appears you have) from jerking the cue back too fast. With the pause, then you have a straight follow through as you strike the cueball. She also said that working the pause into her stroke is the one thing that has helped her play as well as she does. Slow down your warm up strokes a little too and work on pulling the cue back and forward as straight as possible.
On a positive note...you stayed down well after the shot.
Also...I see the red felt...I'm sure you know better than to ever use red chalk...it will turn your shaft a pinkish-red in no time.
Hope this helps.:)
 
xidica said:
Thank you for the feedback. I do also believe that's correct and need to eliminate it.

Not to mention I had a few rumplemints (stumbemints) and 6 beers :D

Cheers!

Well that's one reason why you look to loose, the beers etc. To loose in a wild sort of way, not controlled. You have not established a good pre-shot routine as yet. Outside of missing good basic fundamentals that jacked up rail bridge will cause problems. Get the cue flat on the rail it's much more accurate.

Rod
 
Thanks

Thanks to all for the feedback and comments.

I will take all these things into account. Furthermore, I've only been playing "seriously" for about a year (or less).

After that movie, I went and slept in my truck for 3 hours (drunk as hell); then made it home safely (thank god).

If anyone has any other ideas or wants to help me out with the game, you can contact me on AIM, Yahoo, by e-mail :

fmerrill (at) gmail dot com

Or phone 214-232-7035

Thanks folks.
 
xidica said:
Thanks to all for the feedback and comments.

I will take all these things into account. Furthermore, I've only been playing "seriously" for about a year (or less).

After that movie, I went and slept in my truck for 3 hours (drunk as hell); then made it home safely (thank god).

If anyone has any other ideas or wants to help me out with the game, you can contact me on AIM, Yahoo, by e-mail :

fmerrill (at) gmail dot com

Or phone 214-232-7035

Thanks folks.
i saw you are moving to houston. how much longer will you be in town. id like to get together and play a little. no gambling just some friendly sets. i dont play much but id like someone to spar with someone for a few hours.
 
xidica said:
Hey folks, still playing with the new camera.

I took this video of three balls into the side pocket to see what I'm doing on my pre-shot, address, etc

If you guys have any comments (positive or constructive) I *really* would appreciate hearing them. Thanks!!!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1579646603

Thanks!

There are a couple of things that I'd suggest you take a look at.

First is the way you stroke the cue ball. I've nothing against the pump style stroke you employ, you look a bit like quite a few Filipino's and their pump stroke. The only thing is that you don't seem to be very consistent with it. The three shots you took have that "I've had a few beers and I'm feeling really loose and am strokin' the ball real good" look. If you play that way all the time, you'll have the cue ball going all over the table. It seemed to me you were hitting the cue ball quite hard for the shot you were making, but that's your call on what you were trying to do with the cue ball.

Also, the way you set up your shot varied a bit. Would you shoot a long, tough, straight in shot the way you shot those easy shots? I doubt it.

Why don't you make another video of yourself setting up a long, somewhat difficult cut shot, and post it up there again. Set up a shot that's not a gimme, and lets see how you go about potting the ball. And also, set up a target zone for the cue ball to end up in. This kind of shot is much more realistic and your stroke and the other characteristics of the way you go about shooting will become more apparent.

Good luck at it!

Flex
 
Thanks Flex. I'm off to do that now. I'll let you know on a good table.

And yes, it was the I've had a few beers and am going to bang them part.

Let me see if I can improve with the help of your feedback.

On my way to Cape Buffalo In Addison, Texas.
 
Too bad you decided not to attend Pool School. We answer all those questions and more....randyg
 
randyg said:
Too bad you decided not to attend Pool School. We answer all those questions and more....randyg

Maybe he'll sign up for lessons after all this... :)
 
Hey xidica what's up?

Like one of the other posters on the thread said, I like the way you stay down on the shot. On the other other hand, however, there is no question that you've got to work on a pre-shot routine. Check out Efren Reyes, Corey, and one of your homeboys, CJ Wiley. They all have very solid pre-shot routines, and they all utilize the "port arms position". Also, I could be wrong, but by looking at your backswing and your finish, it would appear that you're not really relaxing your grip hand and throwing the stick through the ball.

Last thing, what's up with the equipment? The cloth and the balls look filthy! I suggest that playing with clean, properly maintained equipment will lend itself to more rapid development. (i.e., playing with dirty balls and cloth kills the action of the cue ball and can induce a beginning to intermediate player to try to force the stroke rather than let it flow.)

Keep working, and good luck!

P.S.--For most of us, serious pool and alcohol don't mix well! One of the things that I witnessed first hand is that the worst thing that can happen to you is to love pool and to "discover" that you think you play better or more relaxed with a few drinks in you. That can set up a vicious cycle of dependency that you really want no part of. If you're losing or not playing well, you end up taking a drink or two, and maybe you loosen up (of course, control and judgement tend to suffer as you continue drinking). This sets up a syndrome where whenever you feel under pressure, you medicate it with another drink, and the road goes straight downhill from there. As a teenager, after watching the self-destruction of a few players who fell into that hole, I developed a simple rule--when I play I don't drink, and when I drink I don't play!
 
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Im going to take what everyone else has told you and rephrase it a little...... Quit trying to look cool while you are playing. Quit trying to emulate other people who you think look cool while they are playing.
Your stroke needs to flatten out, and that means no shoulder movement in the stroke. Your preshot routine seems to consist of mainly how you plant your feet. There is nothing right or wrong with that, but try walking "into" the shot and trust where you are. Then step forward and out at about a 45 degree angle with your lead foot to a comfortable distance. This should set you correctly to bend down and be pretty much lined up, with body clearance.
Work on the basic fundamentals, and everything else will follow. ;)
Chuck
 
Thanks everyone. More videos coming of slight improvement.

You're right, it comes down to trying to look cool or actually playing the game ;)
 
RiverCity said:
Your stroke needs to flatten out, and that means no shoulder movement in the stroke. Your preshot routine seems to consist of mainly how you plant your feet. There is nothing right or wrong with that, but try walking "into" the shot and trust where you are. Then step forward and out at about a 45 degree angle with your lead foot to a comfortable distance. This should set you correctly to bend down and be pretty much lined up, with body clearance.

To Xidica,

I'm going to go against the grain here, and say that although shoulder movement is not considered to be good these days, it doesn't mean you can't shoot that way. Check out Mike Davis's stroke to see what lots of elbow and some shoulder movement looks like. Not saying what he's doing is "wrong" or "right" just that it's "different".

Lots of folks will probably disagree with me on this, but so be it.

Don "The Preacher" Feeney showed me several different strokes one afternoon, and shot a certain ball a special way, potted the ball, and got exactly the shape he was gunning for. And he said, "Now that was a legitimate stroke." He showed me a slip stroke, the Filipino pump stroke, all sorts of things, and why some are especially good for certain kinds of shots. He also changed my thinking on several things. Very helpful couple of hours spent with him.

As for flattening out your stroke, it's usually good advice, but it's not something dogmatic. With time, you may wish to spend some quality time, in other words several hours, shooting slightly jacked up shots with a touch of stun draw, just to see how to shoot the shots and to know how they work on different tables, at different distances, with different balls, and so on. One BCA instructor saw me shooting some of those and yelled or rather thundered at me from across the room "Flatten out the butt of that cue!!" (I knew what I was doing, and told him I stroked the ball incorrectly and that's why it popped off the table, also told him I could do the same thing with a level cue. It's the stroke stupid! BTW, he didn't insist that I level out the cue after I explained what I was doing and why.)

As for the 45 degree suggestion, it might just work for you. Try it. Also, you might need 40 degrees, or 50 degrees, or somewhere in between for that suggestion to work for you. You might want to get one of Bert Kinister's videos... "Advanced Fundamentals" to find out about how to determine your own personal alignment, based on your skeletal structure. It's well worth the trouble to go through the drills he has on it to help you figure it out for your body.

There's a ton of good knowledge out there. Much can be learned with a good instructor; I've heard Randy is great, so too is Scott Lee, and also Jerry Briesath, and Mark Wilson, most of whom post here. Getting a good instructor will go a long way in helping. Maybe they'll all say what I've posted here is of little use, no good. So be it. You won't go wrong with them, although an instructor isn't an absolute prerequisite to improvement. They may really shorten the learning curve though.

Good luck once again!

Flex
 
xidica said:
Ok, some improvement anyway. I think :

Hitting Balls #3 :

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1580809770

More are on the way.

Your style is fast and loose, at least in this video. You have a long bridge, that facilitates sighting, although accuracy can be compromised, especially if you are not really in stroke. Your preshot routine is basically non-existent, with the exception of chalking up. Are you able to break and run a rack of 9 ball, or taking cue ball in hand after the break and running out with some regularity?

I know quite a few players who are short stop speed or better who shoot the way you do, although they are more consistent in their setup for the shots.

One of the things that a quality instructor may encourage you to do is to shorten your bridge, which will probably improve your accuracy.

Do you play in any handicapped 9-ball tournaments? If so, what range does your handicap fall in?

Also, do you play the way you show in the video when you are under pressure?

Flex
 
Flex said:
Your style is fast and loose, at least in this video. You have a long bridge, that facilitates sighting, although accuracy can be compromised, especially if you are not really in stroke. Your preshot routine is basically non-existent, with the exception of chalking up. Are you able to break and run a rack of 9 ball, or taking cue ball in hand after the break and running out with some regularity?

No. maybe 3 out of 10 ?

Flex said:
Do you play in any handicapped 9-ball tournaments? If so, what range does your handicap fall in?

No. Wouldn't know.

Flex said:
Also, do you play the way you show in the video when you are under pressure?
Flex

I usually play better under pressure.

Hitting Balls #2 :
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1580899036
 
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