Video of Two Masters: Mosconi vs. Caras

I think my favorite part is when you can tell Willie is kind of ticked at the way the referee is pointing out the balls.
 
david(tx) said:
Thx , enjoyed that . Really a stark contrast to what we see in pool today , even the audience . This was an event in an era of 3 TV networks and limited entertainment options as compared to today .Seldom do you see the term invitational used today.
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Yea I agree, it really was different back then. One thing that really got me though was that the Referee would just come into their line of sight and LOUDLY announce to the audience what the next shot was. I swear it looked like Jimmy Caras missed one of his shots because of that.
 
LHP5 said:
Yea I agree, it really was different back then. One thing that really got me though was that the Referee would just come into their line of sight and LOUDLY announce to the audience what the next shot was. I swear it looked like Jimmy Caras missed one of his shots because of that.
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Early form of the telestrater , only pre-shot.:wink:



http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/09/sports/jimmy-caras-93-champion-at-pool-dies.html

In 1962, Caras defeated Mosconi at the New York Athletic Club in a match taped for ABC's ''Wide World of Sports.'' He won a modest $3,500, but the plush setting was far removed from the smoke-filled pool halls of the 1930's, when Caras emerged as a champion.

In 1967, he returned to the sport's top level, entering the United States Open in St. Louis.

''It was the college kids who did it,'' he said. ''Every time I'd give a clinic, they'd ask me why I didn't play Wimpy Lassiter, Jersey Red, Cicero Murphy or some of the other big boys. Finally I had to find out for myself if I could really play.''

He lost his first match, then ran off 11 straight victories, including consecutive triumphs over Lassiter on the same evening to win the title.
 
At 32:50 you can see where Corey Deuel developed his chalking method. lol (probably many other places, I only watched a few min of video jumping around it)
 
LHP5 said:
Yea I agree, it really was different back then. One thing that really got me though was that the Referee would just come into their line of sight and LOUDLY announce to the audience what the next shot was.
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Lol, not to mention leaning out over the table and pointing at the balls. Those guys shot so fast you'd think their house was on fire.
 
david(tx) said:
Thx , enjoyed that . Really a stark contrast to what we see in pool today , even the audience . This was an event in an era of 3 TV networks and limited entertainment options as compared to today .Seldom do you see the term invitational used today.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCdJ08_M3Y

Does Caras foul here? At 14m45s (I can't get the timestamp to work)

{edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCdJ08_M3Y#t=14m45s - the timestamp works on computers, but not on the iPhone/iPad iOS}

Also, I like it when the ref says, "scratch" when it's a scratch due to no rail in the original 14.1 sense. Today, no rail is called a foul in ball-in-hand games.

Freddie <~~~ not so old school
 
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Cornerman said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCdJ08_M3Y

Does Caras foul here? At 14m45s (I can't get the timestamp to work)

{edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCdJ08_M3Y#t=14m45s - the timestamp works on computers, but not on the iPhone/iPad iOS}

Also, I like it when the ref says, "scratch" when it's a scratch due to no rail in the original 14.1 sense. Today, no rail is called a foul in ball-in-hand games.

Freddie <~~~ not so old school
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Link to Crane - Balsis match on Youtube .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06-M12lQWE

I'm guessing the ref is just inept or nervous due to it being televised . The producers of the program may have let them know there were time constraints and to play as fast as possible . They may have told the ref to physically indicate pocket for television purposes . Probably the reason 9 ball is only game on television .
 
david(tx) said:
Early form of the telestrater , only pre-shot.:wink:



http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/09/sports/jimmy-caras-93-champion-at-pool-dies.html

In 1962, Caras defeated Mosconi at the New York Athletic Club in a match taped for ABC's ''Wide World of Sports.'' He won a modest $3,500, but the plush setting was far removed from the smoke-filled pool halls of the 1930's, when Caras emerged as a champion.

In 1967, he returned to the sport's top level, entering the United States Open in St. Louis.

''It was the college kids who did it,'' he said. ''Every time I'd give a clinic, they'd ask me why I didn't play Wimpy Lassiter, Jersey Red, Cicero Murphy or some of the other big boys. Finally I had to find out for myself if I could really play.''

He lost his first match, then ran off 11 straight victories, including consecutive triumphs over Lassiter on the same evening to win the title.
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Modest $3500? In 1962 that would get you a new Cadillac.
Mosconi was not only a great player,but he was a bigger prima dona. I know this as fact-I played him. He was Willie Mosconi and you were not.
 
measureman said:
Modest $3500? In 1962 that would get you a new Cadillac.
Mosconi was not only a great player,but he was a bigger prima dona. I know this as fact-I played him. He was Willie Mosconi and you were not.
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May have been reason for some of his body language , how could i miss .:wink: I'd say there was a little television pressure on them . Wonder what size the pockets were ?
 
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