Vintage Palmer

[doitforthegame]

I don't move/flip or turnover cues at a fast pace that some members on AZ do but it's interesting that the lowest offers are from the ones who flip the most cues but that was to be expected. I'm not looking for a middle man to make an offer. It doesn't matter if you think this or that either . .

All I'm saying is let them know how much you want for the cue. And you will sell it. Or give people an idea what the starting point is. That is a beautiful cue and I know a couple of the collectors will be interested. But you shouldn't get mad at "low offers" since no one knows what you would consider low.

And just a quick btw.... you seem to feel that "cue flipping" is somehow bad or immoral. I say "buy low....sell high!" is the bedrock of what our economy was built on (even now when it sucks so bad).

Bob

 

[master_cueist]

You could pawn this stick for that .. you own a pawn shop or what? Have you been watching too many episodes of Pawn Stars?
Canwin

Actually at a pawn shop with an experienced cue guy there who knew exactly what you have here, you would probably get $100 bucks, maybe $150 because of the 3 shafts. Then the pawn shop would probably mark it at $600 and would probably sell it to the first guy offering $400. I have never personally owned a Palmer, in fact only ever shot with 1, Joe Alvarez of vegas let me shoot a few games with his old Palmer. so my post has very little to do with YOUR cue and how nice it is or how its built. I am strictly talking from the pawn shop point of view.

 

[nick serdula]

I was not intending to sell this cue.

You asked for an offer. Here is my reoffer eat it. Ingrate. Insult that. Your Cue is nothing special and my $850 looks better right here in my pocket.
Flip that.
Nick

 

[batalarms]

You asked for an offer. Here is my reoffer eat it. Ingrate. Insult that. Your Cue is nothing special and my $850 looks better right here in my pocket.
Flip that.
Nick

Way to go Nick! Tell him to go to eBay with that attitude.We don't need that here.

 

[MoonshineMattK]

This forum sure is hypocritical

If he was selling a Szamboti and asked to keep the price private no one would say anything about it.

Interest in the cue is obvious from the all the replies.

Make an offer or don't.

Rule#
6) If you are going to post in another's sale or trade thread, if you are knocking their thread, you will receive warnings and bans as with regular rule violations.

Rule#
7) You have no right to criticize or complain regarding pictures, prices etc.

Don't like his thread? Stay out of it

 

[Bamacues]

This forum sure is hypocritical

If he was selling a Szamboti and asked to keep the price private no one would say anything about it.

Interest in the cue is obvious from the all the replies.

Make an offer or don't.

Don't like his thread? Stay out of it

Not really hypocritical in this case, I don't think. The OP asked for "reasonable" offers. Nick made him an offer of $850...the OP insulted Nick by saying Nick was low-balling him and he could get more at a pawn shop.

Nick's offer was certainly a good "starting point", based on the realistic prices of Palmer cues recently and the information from www.palmercollector.com which rates the value at $900-1100, depending on condition.

As for a Szamboti forearm, the OP mentions that it MIGHT be a Szam forearm...if it were, it would affect the value positively. Nick noted that it probably was not a Szam (based on the uneven points, etc), unless it was a "second".

When you ask for offers, etc and make unfounded statements, then you know the folks of AZB are not shy about sharing.

Joe

 

[MoonshineMattK]

Helping to identify a cue or its components is one thing

Making demands is something else

The OP was insulted 1st

Just my thoughts - I have no dog in the fight

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

This forum sure is hypocritical

If he was selling a Szamboti and asked to keep the price private no one would say anything about it.

Agree 100%

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

Not really hypocritical in this case, I don't think. The OP asked for "reasonable" offers. Nick made him an offer of $850...the OP insulted Nick by saying Nick was low-balling him and he could get more at a pawn shop.

Nick's offer was certainly a good "starting point", based on the realistic prices of Palmer cues recently and the information from www.palmercollector.com which rates the value at $900-1100, depending on condition.

As for a Szamboti forearm, the OP mentions that it MIGHT be a Szam forearm...if it were, it would affect the value positively. Nick noted that it probably was not a Szam (based on the uneven points, etc), unless it was a "second".

When you ask for offers, etc and make unfounded statements, then you know the folks of AZB are not shy about sharing.

Joe

I think the first thing you missed over were all of the first posts demanding a price.
Why are no prices demanded on "other" cues. That IS hypocritical. OP should just say pm me for prices/offers. Then he fits in with the rest of them.

 

[classiccues]

This forum sure is hypocritical

If he was selling a Szamboti and asked to keep the price private no one would say anything about it.

Interest in the cue is obvious from the all the replies.

Make an offer or don't.

Rule#
6) If you are going to post in another's sale or trade thread, if you are knocking their thread, you will receive warnings and bans as with regular rule violations.

Rule#
7) You have no right to criticize or complain regarding pictures, prices etc.

Don't like his thread? Stay out of it

PM me for price and make offer are two entirely different requests. One indicates that the seller has a price, and the other basically says, this is an auction, and the highest offer wins.

Last I looked auctions were outlawed. :smile:

JV

 

[nick serdula]

Yup!

PM me for price and make offer are two entirely different requests. One indicates that the seller has a price, and the other basically says, this is an auction, and the highest offer wins.

Last I looked auctions were outlawed. :smile:

JV

What he said.
Nick

 

[thommy]

Well, I think we should all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, you know, like on the aiming threads:grin:

 

[nick serdula]

Great example of exactly how not to sell a Cue.

This Cue should have sold in 15 minuites.
Nick

 

[doitforthegame]

I agree with you Nick. I never understand what these people are looking for. You have something you "want" to sell. You won't disclose the price, then you get mad and insulted when the offers are "low". What was he looking for? Someone to come in and say "I'll give you $10,000 for it!" Do they not take the time to do the research to establish a price? Or do they think they are smart and you (not you Nick...the general you....) are dumb?

Should be an ironclad rule...you put something in the For Sale section, you have to attach a price to it.

Bob

 

[kvinbrwr]

I agree with you Nick. I never understand what these people are looking for. You have something you "want" to sell. You won't disclose the price, then you get mad and insulted when the offers are "low". What was he looking for? Someone to come in and say "I'll give you $10,000 for it!" Do they not take the time to do the research to establish a price? Or do they think they are smart and you (not you Nick...the general you....) are dumb?

Should be an ironclad rule...you put something in the For Sale section, you have to attach a price to it.

Bob

Bob

Funny thing is, there is no rule against this guy trying to sell his cue this way. There are however, ironclad rules about all the critiquing his tactics are getting in his for sale thread.

Please don't get me wrong, I have no love for this seller, I've seen him trash a for sale thread of Randy's claiming some deep knowledge he had about the patina on Randy's cue and then go ballistic on Tate when Tate tried to school him a bit. Now for him to try and get all the money for this cue claiming its a "possible Szam" is reprehensible. BUT, totally within the forum rules.

I wish the seller all the success he deserves with his sale. And it looks like he will get just that.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[doitforthegame]

Bob

Funny thing is, there is no rule against this guy trying to sell his cue this way. There are however, ironclad rules about all the critiquing his tactics are getting in his for sale thread.

Please don't get me wrong, I have no love for this seller, I've seen him trash a for sale thread of Randy's claiming some deep knowledge he had about the patina on Randy's cue and then go ballistic on Tate when Tate tried to school him a bit. Now for him to try and get all the money for this cue claiming its a "possible Szam" is reprehensible. BUT, totally within the forum rules.

I wish the seller all the success he deserves with his sale. And it looks like he will get just that.

Thanks

Kevin

OK deserved criticism accepted. And your last line was great....

Bob

ps- but the rules need to change to insist on selling prices when something is listed "for sale".

 

[kvinbrwr]

OK deserved criticism accepted. And your last line was great....

Bob

ps- but the rules need to change to insist on selling prices when something is listed "for sale".

May canwin have all the success with his "possible Szam" Palmer that he deserves.

Kevin

 

[BobbyC]

Palmer

I don't have a set price in mind I am just keeping it open for now. I have the 2nd edition Blue Book and have found that it's a level 5 as it has 40 inlays, it's 98% condition, and meets the requirements to add a greater % of the value for certain existing conditions.
Some great cuemaker made the forearm that's for sure. Looking at pictures on the BB 2nd edition front cover(Balabushka)and reading about Szamboti points in the Palmer and Szamboti section and where the balance point is, color scheme of the points strongly suggests that possibility but the major factor is that I have a Balabushka I bought in 73 with the same forearm, points etc. that was made by Gus Szamboti.(little do the AZers know) The playability is that of the Balabushka also in that it has a powerful kickback when you hit the cueball with the stick. All that aside, to me it's a beautiful classic Balabushka design..
I bought this cue from the original owner and have his phone number somewhere still. It was a custom built stick. I need to see the 3rd ed. BB. for more info.
In short, I'm kind of still at the discovery stage. I'm not one of those fast turnover kind of guys you find on AZ so I apologize about the way I'm going about this if it's not the standard way one goes about this kind of sale. One thing for sure is it's a rarity and a beauty. Hope this helps. .
Canwin

If your basing expected price by the BB in this market you can expect to lower that by 30-50%, thats when cues where selling like crazy!!! The market is very soft at this time, Its like the Enron bubble burst.
Bob

 

[poolhustler]

Great cue, bad selling technique. I have sold many cues as a private sale and had no issues what so ever. I however never asked for offers, only that interested parties PM me for my asking price. When you throw out the "PM me an offer" the sellers thread always turns to crap.

 

[canwin]

Great cue, bad selling technique. I have sold many cues as a private sale and had no issues what so ever. I however never asked for offers, only that interested parties PM me for my asking price. When you throw out the "PM me an offer" the sellers thread always turns to crap.

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