Want to play in a 14.1 league?
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nasc said:
Hey Glen , I have emailed Slapshots to see if they are interested in hosting a league, wouldn't hurt if you and some buddies put a bug in their ear that you would like to play in the league
In my experience so far the Boston Billiards franchises do not like to host league systems, they like inhouse leagues. Forget Country Club, they never answer my contact attempts on anything, ever.
Kev
Handicaps, etc
Kevin: do you adjust handicaps as the year goes on?
How does one know that an A player in Chicago is equal to an A player in Iowa, for example and what is your experience at Nationals when different A players play each other?
What would I tell my players they get for their $15 if I were to get them to affiliate with your organization?
Kevin: do you adjust handicaps as the year goes on?
How does one know that an A player in Chicago is equal to an A player in Iowa, for example and what is your experience at Nationals when different A players play each other?
What would I tell my players they get for their $15 if I were to get them to affiliate with your organization?
dmgwalsh said:
Hi Dennis, thank you for your questions.
The handicap system formula adjusts automatically after "each match", based on performance and without any human judgement, being a nationwide system there cannot be human judgement from several different opinions across the nation raising or lowering handicaps, that would create a nightmare. It takes the LO 10 minutes to update handicaps for the next weeks play.
As far as "A" players being a different skill levels from different areas, it is my experience so far that they are not that far off from each other. Many 14and1.com league players are also players of other systems such as the APA. I have found after polling that 95% of my C to C+ players are APA 3's and 4's in 8ball, my B to B+ players are APA 5's in 8ball, my "A" players and up are APA 6's and 7's in 8ball. I often ask my LO's how their players fair in the other systems for comparison. Of course you will have some players rated at the same level where one player has more experience in the game than the other and will most likely out move the other player in the end. Thats where I have noticed a difference mostly, in safety play and strategy, shotmaking seems to be very close at all our skill levels. And thats what I saw in Atlantic City at the Nationals, many many very close matches but the more experienced 14.1 players won those close matches by out moving their opponents, but not neccesarily the better shotmaker. Although I do not claim it will ever be perfect, it has worked pretty well, I personally would give the system about a 90% accuracy rating. We had many "A" matchups in AC go to within 5 balls. A "B+" player won the Nationals defeating an "A+" in the finals, the "A+" came from the losers side needing to beat the "B+" twice in the true double elim, the "A+" won the first game forcing a second, and in that second game the "A+" actually caught the spot when they got to about 110 going to 140, he scratched off a tough breakball shot and busted the rack open, the "B+" gutted it out from there and won the tournament. So it actually may have come down to that one shot, who knows!
The $15 entry fee per session is the only money I collect to run the system. Advertising, mailings, supplies, trophies , banners, etc..etc..on and on, all the expenses. 14and1.com does not collect any weekly player dues, those weekly dues are set by the LO themselves and pooled for a prize fund for your league that is paid directly from the LO to their league players. If a qualifier wants to come to the Nationals then they pay a $125 entry fee to the main event from their local winnings which creates the Nationals prize fund, if they don't want to come then they don't pay the entry fee, same as BCA system. All local league funds are handled and distributed back to the players in any manner the individual league wishes.
Thank you and anything else please don't hesitate to ask.
Kev
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Kevin,
I was curious how long it takes players to move. According to your approximations above of rankings vs league handicaps, how long would it take a legimate league 3 to get down to an accurate handicap? If I end up with a mixed bag of skill levels, I don't want the stronger players to dominate until the lower players get adjusted. They may get frustrated and lose interest.
Scott
I was curious how long it takes players to move. According to your approximations above of rankings vs league handicaps, how long would it take a legimate league 3 to get down to an accurate handicap? If I end up with a mixed bag of skill levels, I don't want the stronger players to dominate until the lower players get adjusted. They may get frustrated and lose interest.
Scott
Skess said:
Hey Scott, it takes about 3 to 4 matches for handicaps to adjust to where they are close. That is the sole reason for the bonus point system being setup the way it is, starting in the 4th week. No player can get to far ahead in the first 3 weeks allowing for a handicap adjustment period, but those first 3 weeks win points turn out to be crutial at the end when you need 2 points to get there. So players should be encouraged to be patient when they first join the system and have to start as a B level and let the system work, just like in APA where everyone starts as a 4, or any other system, there has to be a starting point.
Also keep in mind that once they establish a handicap then they start the next session with their last recorded handicap, only new players to the system start as a B level.
Also
Kev
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selftaut said:
How do you initially determine whether someone is an A, an A+, a B+?
Is it based on being able to run balls?
I know that $15 is not a lot, but I was wondering what I would tell the rank and file in an established league that they would get for affiliating?
Other than a chance to go to the Nationals.
dmgwalsh said:
Hi Dennis, all new 14and1.com players start the first week as a B level then their handicap is adjusted based on performance after every match, same as other systems such as APA where everyone starts as a 4 in 8ball. Once a player has a established handicap they will always play with their last recorded handicap, such as into a next new session. Alternatively, leagues that have already been in existance, the LO may choose to assign handicaps in the first week because they know their players and they do have a handicap from their existing league. Its pretty easy to figure out a conversion from anyones system.
As far as the $15 entry, as I stated that pays for the expenses and materials, there is not thousands (yet) of players so that does not add up to what they might think. Last year it cost me money in the end, not complaining but thats just the way it came out. This year I think will be better, however it comes out doesn't matter to me, I enjoy it and so do the players.
Kev
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dmgwalsh said:
Dennis, if they need to know why there is the fee then I already answered that. Is there a need to get something other than being provided with the league format and a National Championship?
They also recieve a 5% discount code at borderbilliards.com on any purchase.
Kev
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dmgwalsh said:
Dennis, I would love to have you guys aboard and see your leagues represented in Atlantic City, you are correct that there will be many questions if presented with the league, there always is and I will be more than happy to answer any of them as usual.
If you do decide to present 14and1.com to your players then the best way is to have the start-up materials with you, I can send it to you in ms word format by email or send it snail mail, just give me a PM with your email addy or mailing address and will get it to you for your review.
Kev
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Just an update for any Twin Cities players looking at the thread...
3 to 5 new divisions of MN Straight Pool Assoc. are beginning in October, and dates/times have been finalized. (Mon/Sat/Sun @ 3 locations) and will be affiliated with 14and1.com
For more info, check out WWW.MNSTRAIGHTPOOL.COM
thanks,
-Matt
3 to 5 new divisions of MN Straight Pool Assoc. are beginning in October, and dates/times have been finalized. (Mon/Sat/Sun @ 3 locations) and will be affiliated with 14and1.com
For more info, check out WWW.MNSTRAIGHTPOOL.COM
thanks,
-Matt
14and1.com welcomes our newest league operator Michael Zimmerman! Michael also runs a regional tour Zims Rack APT!
Leagues will be held at Baxter's in Fairview Heights, IL
Michael has set up a webpage for all info for the new 14and1.com league www.zimsrack.com/14and1League .
Thank you Michael and looking forward to your leagues!!
Kevin Vidal
14and1.com
Leagues will be held at Baxter's in Fairview Heights, IL
Michael has set up a webpage for all info for the new 14and1.com league www.zimsrack.com/14and1League .
Thank you Michael and looking forward to your leagues!!
Kevin Vidal
14and1.com