alpine9430 said:
Hmmmmm...can we say there's reality and then there's fantasy land ??
WANTED: Entry Level Dennis Searing (used or new)
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Hmmmmm...can we say there's reality and then there's fantasy land ??
1pRoscoe said:
i understand supply and demand. im just shocked at what pushes the demand in this case. usually its a combination of things that make a cuemaker great like wrap, balance, special taper, woods used and hit of course. the only response i got was "hit". im just surprised that there arent more distinct characteristics concerning Searing cues.
alpine9430 said:
Two of those cues don't even have a searing sig. That seems like deceptive advertising to me.
It's not about the wood, taper, wrap, etc.... It's about that little "S" at the bottom and the signature on the forearm...PunchOut said:i understand supply and demand. im just shocked at what pushes the demand in this case. usually its a combination of things that make a cuemaker great like wrap, balance, special taper, woods used and hit of course. the only response i got was "hit". im just surprised that there arent more distinct characteristics concerning Searing cues.
If you have a guy that makes 10 cues a year and you have 100+ people that want them (and multiple at that), he charges $1500 for a simple cue.... Over time, wouldn't you think that those that really want a cue of his will start to offer more, and more, and more, until they get what they want? Others are then forced to spend just a bit more than that guy to get one...
Again, supply and demand. It's not about what tips are on it or the diameter of the bumper screw... It's about who made it. Period.
thingie said:
There is a difference between the S that is at the buttcap and a signature. Dennis only signs his cue by the points if he completely makes the cue but they all have the S in the buttcap.
1pRoscoe said:
I disagree with part of your post, I could start making cues and only make 5 per year that doesn't mean that my cues are going to be twice as valuable as a Searing. It is about the wood, taper, wrap, tip, etc. that makes his cues play exceptionally well, and that is what causes them to be highly sought after. If he started making cues with poor workmanship or that didn't play very well, his orders would drop off and the cues would plummet in price. I have talked with Dennis on the phone a few times and I am sure that the quality will never go down and if anything will only get better with time.
Dennis's cues are valuable because they play great, and the workmanship is incredible. Since he doesn't make very many cues per year and there is a lot of people who want them you are going to have to wait 7-10 years to get one direct from him. Many people myself included are not that patient and are willing to pay subtantially more to get one quicker. I also have one on order and when my name comes up I plan on having him make something truly incredible that I will play / keep forever.
I read that somewhere. But would it make a lot of difference if his apprentice made them under his supervision or if searing himself had alone put his hand into it? They should play the same (i'm not certain how the value would change)TheMarsMan said:
Also, would that be similar to Mike Cochran/Bob Frey to Tim Scruggs, Ed Young to DPK, Jim Buss to Schrager etc?
(just trying to find out too!)
TheMarsMan said:
My point was they aren't made of gold (actual materials) and it was all about playability, more the rep of the person that made it, which would imply all of what you had messaged above. I didn't think I actually needed to spell out each and every aspect.... that, and quite frankly I didn't have the inclination, as my attention span is quite short.
hot?ScottR said:Ooooo . . . . I love it when you get all knowlegeable!
Jeez, that sounds . . . . .
1pRoscoe said:My point was they aren't made of gold (actual materials) and it was all about playability, more the rep of the person that made it, which would imply all of what you had messaged above. I didn't think I actually needed to spell out each and every aspect.... that, and quite frankly I didn't have the inclination, as my attention span is quite short.
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This is a very interesting topic. I'm not so sure that it's all about the playability. My thoughts....
If Dennis didn't like to fish and golf so much and liked to build more cues, then you would not see these kind of prices, crazy as they are. IMO, it is all about the low production. And since 'hit' is subjective anyway, it's about the perception that they are great hitting cues. And I happen to be one that agrees that they play great and are fantastic cues. I mean, really, if Dennis made 100 cues per year instead of 10, would the secondary market prices still be what they are?
I have known Dennis Searing for many years. He is the most truthful and honest man I have met in my 50+ years on the planet. He is constantly improving the way he makes cues. You can cut any cue he ever built into wafer thin slices and never find any gaps where parts fit together. Now that he is the most sought after cue maker in the world, he could easily throw cues together, sign them and get filthy rich. BUT THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH A DENNIS SEARING BUILT CUE!!! A cue Dennis builds will NEVER leave his shop unless it is perfect. No matter what joint or pin or wood combination you decide on, he will engineer it to perform flawlessly.
Not many people know that Dennis Searing was one of the greatest professional pool players as little as 10 yrs. ago. He won a tournament in 2000 beating players such as Corey Deuel, Charley Williams, Troy Frank, Takasi Takahama, just to name a few. Being a player has given Dennis the knowledge to understand what kind of feedback a cue needs to transmit to a players hand in order for the player to play his best. This is why it is well worth the wait to own one of these fine pieces of craftsmanship. And it is only going to get better as Dennis has designed and assembled a state of the art CNC machine. Dennis doesn't spend enough time on his game anymore. I know as we are very close friends and I can never pry him away from his shop for even 2 hours to hit balls. He is always spending his time with his love and passion. Making his perfect cues better than ever, one at a time.
Not many people know that Dennis Searing was one of the greatest professional pool players as little as 10 yrs. ago. He won a tournament in 2000 beating players such as Corey Deuel, Charley Williams, Troy Frank, Takasi Takahama, just to name a few. Being a player has given Dennis the knowledge to understand what kind of feedback a cue needs to transmit to a players hand in order for the player to play his best. This is why it is well worth the wait to own one of these fine pieces of craftsmanship. And it is only going to get better as Dennis has designed and assembled a state of the art CNC machine. Dennis doesn't spend enough time on his game anymore. I know as we are very close friends and I can never pry him away from his shop for even 2 hours to hit balls. He is always spending his time with his love and passion. Making his perfect cues better than ever, one at a time.
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Very nasty Cueaddicts! So what you are saying, Dennis isn't in his shop working, he's out playing golf and fishing. Just to set you straight, Dennis works in his shop 6 days a week.
So it's all about low production is the reason his cues command the prices they do, well in that case you should start building cues and see how well you do, maybe only make one a year...heck you'd be a rich man everyone would be fighting over it.
Searing cues have impeccable workmanship and the attention to detail, you will never see a flawed detail in the construction of the cue, Dennis even polishes the weight bolt. They inlays are perfect, you will never see any glue lines anywhere on the cue, all componants are threaded and faced perfectly, the shafts are pure and are free of waves or any deviations. I could go on and on about the construction of his cues. Players and collectors love his cues.
Don't worry if Dennis made 100 cues a year, the only thing that would change is that there would be 100 more happy cue owners per year.
PLease don't fabricate about Dennis Searing's work ethic. Very uncool.
Every dollar invested in a Searing is money well spent.
Scott
cueaddicts said:
Very nasty Cueaddicts! So what you are saying, Dennis isn't in his shop working, he's out playing golf and fishing. Just to set you straight, Dennis works in his shop 6 days a week.
So it's all about low production is the reason his cues command the prices they do, well in that case you should start building cues and see how well you do, maybe only make one a year...heck you'd be a rich man everyone would be fighting over it.
Searing cues have impeccable workmanship and the attention to detail, you will never see a flawed detail in the construction of the cue, Dennis even polishes the weight bolt. They inlays are perfect, you will never see any glue lines anywhere on the cue, all componants are threaded and faced perfectly, the shafts are pure and are free of waves or any deviations. I could go on and on about the construction of his cues. Players and collectors love his cues.
Don't worry if Dennis made 100 cues a year, the only thing that would change is that there would be 100 more happy cue owners per year.
PLease don't fabricate about Dennis Searing's work ethic. Very uncool.
Every dollar invested in a Searing is money well spent.
Scott
HIRUN526 said:
Scott, my comments above are to be taken as a figure of speech. Can't say that I diasgree with anything you've said here...except I do disagree that the secondary market prices would be just as high if he made more cues. I'm a huge proponent of Dennis's work. IMO, he is right up there with the best cuemakers out there and ever. But that being said, the high prices on the secondary market more than anything are about the low numbers, more than what he does in making his cues. Hit is subjective and contrary to some people's beliefs, there are a lot of cuemakers these days building superb cues. That was simply not the case ten years ago. Everybody's got opinions and I certainly appreciate yours.