Wanting to learn what the terms mean...

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hfelsh

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OK, so even though I bought my McDermott, I've still been coming here and looking at cues being sold. I keep seeing some terms, and frankly, I can't figure out what they mean.
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Now, before anyone laughs at me (and yes, some of these will probably be n00b questions about terms), I'm sure I'm not the only one who's wondering. I think links to pictures for some of them would be helpful, but at least a description and/or explanation would be useful. :sorry:

For example: MOP = Mother Of Pearl (OK, that one was easy, I already knew that, but it's a common abbreviation used here, and someone else might not know that.)

So, my questions are: :confused:

  1. What are "recut points"? (I know what points are, obviously...what makes them "recut"?) :confused:
  2. What is a "Titlist Conversion"? (Other cues are simply described as "Titlist", with no "conversion" - is that different somehow?)
  3. What are "Hoppe" rings? (From what I understand, this refers to Willie Hoppe and the style of rings he apparently pioneered on cues he made; however, I've seen absolutely plain-jane cues described as having "hoppe rings", so..?)
  4. I've seen cues described as "Level X", where x = some number, like "this is a Level 6 cue". I assume that refers to how intricate the inlays are, no? How does one determine the "level"?
  5. What is a "piloted joint"? (I assume a "flat face joint" is where nothing but the pin sticks up from the butt wood/material; is it "piloted" when there's a lip or whatever that is called, so that it's not exactly a flat end?) Is there an advantage to one over th other, or is it simply a preference as to how the cue feels with said joint, and some people prefer one over the other for a reason?
  6. I know what "veneers" are (technically speaking), but I'd love to see a clear, concise description as they relate to cues.
  7. I see some cues referred to as "cored", and others "uncored". I know what "coring" is, technically speaking, but as with veneers, I'd like to read a clear, concise description of the meaning as it relates to cues.
I'm sure I can't be the only one who's wondered what those things mean, and tried to find an answer. I'm also sure there are more, but that's all I can think of for now. :o
 
In order, here are the meanings of the terms you asked about:

1 - Recut points are the term used for building a cue with a point, then cutting into the existing point and adding another, as opposed to veneers.

2 - A Titleist conversion is taking an old Titleist cue that was a full spliced cue, and using just the forearm to create a new cue. The points and veneers on those old cues were highly appreciated. By adding a new butt sleeve, joint, and wrap, it makes for a stunning cue.

3 - Hoppe rings are slim ivory or ivory substitute rings near the base of the butt. You can have them on any cue, including a sneaky pete.

4 - Level X is usually referring to the level system used by the Blue Book of Pool Cues. The more intricate, the higher the level.

5 - A piloted joint (or shaft) is what Scruggs, Richard Black, Schon, and many others use. Rather than a flat end to the shaft, a brass sleeve is inserted into the end of the shaft. The sleeve extends past the end of the shaft and fits into a recess in the butt end of the joint.

6 - Veneers are thin pieces of wood that are applied to the points. They are usually all glued together prior to being fitted into the butt and prior to turning.

7 - Coring is simply removing the center of the external wood (what you see in the final product) and replacing it with another wood. This is done for 2 main reasons.. 1, to lighten the cue when a heavy wood (such as ebony) is used. And 2, some cue makers core their cues at all the wood to wood joints to add strength and stability. Coring greatly reduces the chances of warping.

Chris
 
Yes, those are very helpful, and actually, one of the answers reminded me of another question: what is a "full spliced cue"? By that, I mean, what does "splicing" refer to? :confused:
 
hfelsh said:
Yes, those are very helpful, and actually, one of the answers reminded me of another question: what is a "full spliced cue"? By that, I mean, what does "splicing" refer to? :confused:
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A full splice cue is easiest to describe by imagining a house cue that has a brown butt, maple "shaft", and points. When a cue is full spliced, the forearm is cut with the points in each end, and then put together. Other forms of splicing (short splice and recut) are applied to the outside of the cue. Fullspliced cues are the same piece of wood all the way through the points.

Chris
 
I find it amusing that I received numerous positive reps for my replies in this thread, but none from the person who asked the questions. To all who did give me rep, my most sincere thanks.

Chris
 
tommie1351 said:
Rep to you Chris for helping a guy that should just buy a book!
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lol Thanks, Tommie. I have no problem at all in helping anyone that I'm able to. I've gotten more than my share of help from others. Thanks for the rep!

Chris
 
Devilish48 said:
I find it amusing that I received numerous positive reps for my replies in this thread, but none from the person who asked the questions. To all who did give me rep, my most sincere thanks.

Chris
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Should we use a full splice on him, or just recuts?:thumbup:
 
swami4u said:
Should we use a full splice on him, or just recuts?:thumbup:
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LMFAO I think he'll get his information and possibly learn something about terms such as "thank you" along the way =)

Chris
 
Devilish48 said:
Blue Hog ridr said:
http://www.waynecustomcues.com/recut-points.html
Here are some pics so you can see what re cuts points are.
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Great view of the recut process!Chris
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I checked out that link with my adblocking software both on and off, and I do not see any images, only text describing the process? :confused:

Devilish48 said:
I find it amusing that I received numerous positive reps for my replies in this thread, but none from the person who asked the questions. To all who did give me rep, my most sincere thanks.

Chris
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I don't particularly care about "reps", and don't understand why other people care, either.
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I said your answers were very helpful, which implied I was thanking you for your information.

Tommie, swami, devilish...your subsequent comments...
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Sheesh, what a bunch of self-righteous blowhards.
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I wanted to know the answers, so I asked questions. Gee, what a concept, huh? I searched for the answers before I asked, and couldn't find any answers. If I had, I wouldn't have asked. It's how people learn when they want to know something.

Thanks for your answers.
 
Devilish48 said:
I find it amusing that I received numerous positive reps for my replies in this thread, but none from the person who asked the questions. To all who did give me rep, my most sincere thanks.

Chris
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What makes you think that if he didnt know the answers to simple s--t like that he would know where the rep button is or what its used for
 
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