Was Dennis Orcollo right by calling this foul?

Nope.......No Way.........It was a terrible foul call in my opinion.

I replayed that several times and Dennis was pretty far away
to make that call, especially when the cue shaft was on the
right side of the object ball facing him The object ball never
moved as far as I can tell & so unless he had X-Ray vision
and could see through the shaft itself, he had no visibly
possible way to ascertain that the cue shaft had indeed made
contact with that object ball that never moved.

The referee was very slow to take action, Kun-Lin failed to notice
and I couldn't observe any foul caused by contact & I enlarged
the video full size as well. But apparently Dennis is able to see
wooden cue shafts which is the only way he could tell if there
was indeed any contact from where he was sitting unless there
was some object ball movement which there was not.

It was not his bridge hand that made contact since it was steady
from the time he set his hand. The ref pointed to the outside of the
object ball facing Dennis where the cue shaft was. Personally, it is
a really cheap foul call and I don't think the ref could tell and merely
seemed to go along with Dennis calling a foul.....uh, social etiquette?

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He did not call it a foul. He looked at the ref while pointing. The ref already knows the foul because Dennis did not have to explain anything.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Nope.......No Way.........It was a terrible foul call in my opinion.

I replayed that several times and Dennis was pretty far away
to make that call, especially when the cue shaft was on the
right side of the object ball facing him The object ball never
moved as far as I can tell & so unless he had X-Ray vision
and could see through the shaft itself, he had no visibly
possible way to ascertain that the cue shaft had indeed made
contact with that object ball that never moved.

The referee was very slow to take action, Kun-Lin failed to notice
and I couldn't observe any foul caused by contact & I enlarged
the video full size as well. But apparently Dennis is able to see
wooden cue shafts which is the only way he could tell if there
was indeed any contact from where he was sitting unless there
was some object ball movement which there was not.

It was not his bridge hand that made contact since it was steady
from the time he set his hand. The ref pointed to the outside of the
object ball facing Dennis where the cue shaft was. Personally, it is
a really cheap foul call and I don't think the ref could tell and merely
seemed to go along with Dennis calling a foul.....uh, social etiquette?

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ahahahaaha
 
Dennis was right to call the foul.
He did touch that ball.

But my point is THAT REF WAS A BLOODY JOKE !

Dude didnt even realized 9 ball went in , and Dennis had to inform the ref it was a golden break after the ref ask dennis to play on even though Dennis telling him n repeating while laughing lol.
 
Kris_b1104 said:
https://youtu.be/BiMC4hnTpkw

At the 13:25 mark, Kun-Lin Wu is bridging over the 8 ball and Dennis calls a foul on him even though a ref is present. The ref comes over and gives Dennis ball in hand. Isn't the shooter always right if a ref doesn't make a call? It's very hard to tell if his cue touched the 8 ball. I'm assuming it must have since Kun-Lin didn't deny it.
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Looked like a bad call to me, but since the shooter did not argue about the call, then the shooter must have known it was a fair call.
 
Poolplayer2016 said:
You can add time specific links on youtube.
https://youtu.be/BiMC4hnTpkw?t=13m25s

I think all fouls should be taken out...just place the balls back in their spots...opponents choice. I never call them myself...makes a player look desperate imo...kinda sucky.

BUT as it is a rule...the ball did move so he had every right to call it.
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I did not see the 8 ball move, and it did not appear that he even touched it. Dennis looked to be kind of far away to even make that call. I do not know.
 
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In his one pocket semi final match last night at DCC, Dennis again raised his arm to signal that Alex fouled by touching a ball.

Before the interweb goes crazy because they think Dennis again called it, the foul was obvious in person, and though the "referee" won't be on screen on the DVD, he was quick to call it, and spot a ball.

Alex made no bones. It was a foul. Nothing dastardly. I'm quite confident this video from the OP was nearly the identical situation. Looked perfectly normal.

Freddie <~~~ calls fouls
 
I was playing a good player and brushed a ball that had me jacked upfrom about 2" away.

When my opponent 'moved it back', it was damn near frozen to the cb.
pocketsplitter said:
What happens when players argue over where exactly the touched ball was? As you know, in pool, centimeters can make a huge difference. The victim could lie and place the ball in an advantageous spot to solve a problem even ball in hand couldn't solve. Then the shooter will argue their face off about it and waste time. Easier to just penalize the offender with ball in hand and lost of turn. When I switched to Bca from APA I had no problem learning not to touch other balls, so pros should be even better at it


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Black-Balled said:
I was playing a good player and brushed a ball that had me jacked upfrom about 2" away.

When my opponent 'moved it back', it was damn near frozen to the cb.
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That's a guy you don't play again and make sure you tell him why when he asks.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Nope.......No Way.........It was a terrible foul call in my opinion.

I replayed that several times and Dennis was pretty far away
to make that call, especially when the cue shaft was on the
right side of the object ball facing him The object ball never
moved as far as I can tell & so unless he had X-Ray vision
and could see through the shaft itself, he had no visibly
possible way to ascertain that the cue shaft had indeed made
contact with that object ball that never moved.

The referee was very slow to take action, Kun-Lin failed to notice
and I couldn't observe any foul caused by contact & I enlarged
the video full size as well. But apparently Dennis is able to see
wooden cue shafts which is the only way he could tell if there
was indeed any contact from where he was sitting unless there
was some object ball movement which there was not.

It was not his bridge hand that made contact since it was steady
from the time he set his hand. The ref pointed to the outside of the
object ball facing Dennis where the cue shaft was. Personally, it is
a really cheap foul call and I don't think the ref could tell and merely
seemed to go along with Dennis calling a foul.....uh, social etiquette?

.
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I suggest you watch it again. If you watch closely the 8 ball is rocked backwards by the shooters shaft. Regardless of how you feel about either player, they were playing all ball fouls. I played the same rules in Germany, it is about the sportsmanship of the game.
 
Poolhalljunkie said:
I suggest you watch it again. If you watch closely the 8 ball is rocked backwards by the shooters shaft. Regardless of how you feel about either player, they were playing all ball fouls. I played the same rules in Germany, it is about the sportsmanship of the game.
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Your right.
 
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Kris_b1104 said:
https://youtu.be/BiMC4hnTpkw

At the 13:25 mark, Kun-Lin Wu is bridging over the 8 ball and Dennis calls a foul on him even though a ref is present. The ref comes over and gives Dennis ball in hand. Isn't the shooter always right if a ref doesn't make a call? It's very hard to tell if his cue touched the 8 ball. I'm assuming it must have since Kun-Lin didn't deny it.
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You know, every time I read a new story about Dennis O. I like him a little bit less.

When there is a ref. present, he should call all fouls, with exception for the fouls the shooter calls on himself.
 
Whether anyone can or can't see a foul is irrelevant. The referee called a foul (not Dennis,despite was this thread is about), and that is that.

Dennis does enough goofy things. This isn't one of those times.
 
Cornerman said:
Whether anyone can or can't see a foul is irrelevant. The referee called a foul (not Dennis,despite was this thread is about), and that is that.

Dennis does enough goofy things. This isn't one of those times.
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I agree. I have to think the ref both saw and called the foul himself, not that he called a foul just because Dennis said there was a foul.
 
Later in the match, it looks like Dennis tries to call another foul (8 is hit before 7) and the ref disagrees after asking Kun-Lin. :confused:Looks like a foul to me though. This time the ref doesn't call, sees Dennis, then asks Kun-Lin and he says no. Besides being obvious the 8 wouldn't have gone towards the back rail like that unless it was hit first.

This ref seems like crap...

24:45
https://youtu.be/BiMC4hnTpkw?t=1486
 
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I was wrong.Dennis was right, he rocked the ball with the shaft. I downloaded a annotation tool and mark the screen where the 8 ball was. It moved. Good call.:)
 
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Say what you want about Dennis, but he plays fair and never tries to shark his opponent in any way. Just watch him sometime in a match, sitting quietly in his chair while his opponent is shooting. He does have a burning desire to win though and that's why he is one of the greatest closers in pool. The match is never over if Dennis has a cue in his hand, no matter how far behind he is.
 
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