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Points have no size and you don't understand math. Fits perfectly in this thread, by someone that doesn't understand words.
Was Einstein Right About 6 Million Shots on a Pool Table?
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Points have no size and you don't understand math. Fits perfectly in this thread, by someone that doesn't understand words.
"remotely intelligible answer".
Thanks, I would not want this to appear a "remotely intelligible answer".
Dead wrong AGAIN !...Not a remotely intelligible answer ! (even for you, and its your OWN question.)
SJD...
PS..Alright folks, lets keep moving right along..Nothing to see here !..Same old stuff. different day !
Thanks, I would not want this to appear a "remotely intelligible answer".
The contact patch is not the right measure. Frozen-ball shots change tremendously if the balls are 0.001 inches apart and not really touching. If you go by that measure, there are roughly 4 billion positions for each of two balls.
Not to mention the numerous shots that could occur from the same positions. Even if the outcome of two or more shots from exact positions resulted in identical outcomes too the shots still could have been shot numerous ways making them different shots.
Ex. A draw shot that pockets the ball and draws the cueball precisely 6 inches. Was it struck hard, barely below center? Was it struck soft, with more low? Was it a combination in between?
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What else needs to be consider are kicks, combos, caroms, banks and the variations........bank/combo......bank/carom.....combo/ carom.....bank/combo/carom.......kick/combo......kick/carom
Banks also include more than one bank.
So the size of the table is all little importance but more the ball layout and imgination of the shooter is the determining factors.
Here is how I define a shot. Putting a OB or OB's and CB where you want on the table. Pocketing a ball and moving a ball off a rail is an example. Pocketing a ball and bumping a ball out to as as a break ball is another.
Then there is safety play.
Banks also include more than one bank.
So the size of the table is all little importance but more the ball layout and imgination of the shooter is the determining factors.
Here is how I define a shot. Putting a OB or OB's and CB where you want on the table. Pocketing a ball and moving a ball off a rail is an example. Pocketing a ball and bumping a ball out to as as a break ball is another.
Then there is safety play.
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Einstein said there were over 6 Million possible shots on a pool table, do you believe this is fact, or another example of urban legend?
How many shots do you believe are possible on a pool table and what formula did you use to come up with your estimation?
I do not believe Einstein would have ever said this.
I believe Einstein understood math, and he knew that there are an infinite number of points on a pool table, and therefore an infinite number of shots.
Our perception and knowledge allow our minds to understand the simplicity.
Pool is really not that complicated, there is a finite number of angles, speeds and spins - the table also has a finite size - the game is as simple (relatively speaking) as our perception and knowledge allow our minds to understand this simplicity.
The more a player develops their knowledge from experience, the simpler the game becomes. 'The Game is the Teacher' (when we pay attention, everything teaches)
Pool is really not that complicated, there is a finite number of angles, speeds and spins - the table also has a finite size - the game is as simple (relatively speaking)
as our perception and knowledge allow our minds to understand this simplicity.The more a player develops their knowledge from experience, the simpler the game becomes. 'The Game is the Teacher' (when we pay attention, everything teaches)
call the 6 pockets on a pool table "wormholes"
Einstein did have an incredible imagination, he is reported to humorously call the 6 pockets on a pool table "wormholes".
Einstein did have an incredible imagination, he is reported to humorously call the 6 pockets on a pool table "wormholes".
I think an estimate for the amount of shots varies with the individual and their ability level.
A newer shooter is in the process of learning and will constantly discover a seemingly infinite number of shots and variations off of their themes. Their shot memory hasn't catalogued enough repetitive sequences to establish a baseline for instantly recognizable angles.
The average player sees the common theme in the same angle despite the cue ball and object ball being in different locations. They can understand the correct alignment and are learning how speed and spin will affect the shot.
The advanced player has learned there aren't as many shots as there are variations of similar shots using speed and spin. Occasionally, they'll catalogue an unusual shot, but their challenge is to work in the confines of a known shot and understand what will happen with a change of speed and spin to the outcome.
The top level player accepts the fact that the balls will drop off of the table with a known angle and consume themselves with control of the cue ball. To them, the shot becomes more of a makeable percentage than a question of how to solve the pocketing equation and get the correct position.
They have no doubt on where to hit the ball, just on the execution of making it and control of the cue ball with speed and/or spin. They see and control patterns with their knowledge and experience. They see similarities and understand a certain method or style of play will give them the solution for their problem.
This is seen as a limited amount of shots to them with variations off of these shots. Unlike the beginner, who constantly searches for repetition in their game, the top player concerns themselves with letting experience know and pocket a smaller group of shots.
Best,
Mike
A newer shooter is in the process of learning and will constantly discover a seemingly infinite number of shots and variations off of their themes. Their shot memory hasn't catalogued enough repetitive sequences to establish a baseline for instantly recognizable angles.
The average player sees the common theme in the same angle despite the cue ball and object ball being in different locations. They can understand the correct alignment and are learning how speed and spin will affect the shot.
The advanced player has learned there aren't as many shots as there are variations of similar shots using speed and spin. Occasionally, they'll catalogue an unusual shot, but their challenge is to work in the confines of a known shot and understand what will happen with a change of speed and spin to the outcome.
The top level player accepts the fact that the balls will drop off of the table with a known angle and consume themselves with control of the cue ball. To them, the shot becomes more of a makeable percentage than a question of how to solve the pocketing equation and get the correct position.
They have no doubt on where to hit the ball, just on the execution of making it and control of the cue ball with speed and/or spin. They see and control patterns with their knowledge and experience. They see similarities and understand a certain method or style of play will give them the solution for their problem.
This is seen as a limited amount of shots to them with variations off of these shots. Unlike the beginner, who constantly searches for repetition in their game, the top player concerns themselves with letting experience know and pocket a smaller group of shots.
Best,
Mike
Thanks, I would not want this to appear a "remotely intelligible answer".
The word intelligible is actually a word and was used in the correct context.
That's correct, word is actually a word and the world is actually the world. :groucho:
Intelligible is used in the correct context of the question or answer?
you can tell a lot about a player's current level by how complicated they make things
Very well said - you can tell a lot about a player's current level by how complicated they make their perception of the game......that's why I favor developing a "master shot," so I won't have to make too many decisions. a c c e l e r a t e o i
Very well said - you can tell a lot about a player's current level by how complicated they make their perception of the game......that's why I favor developing a "master shot," so I won't have to make too many decisions.
a c c e l e r a t e o i
Einstein didn't say:
Doesn't anyone here know how to use a search engine?
What can be documented is that Albert Einstein said
in 1933.
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.
That was by E. F. SchumacherDoesn't anyone here know how to use a search engine?
What can be documented is that Albert Einstein said
It can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience.
in 1933.
Good catch Bob, not that it really matters !..I think we have already established those among us, who are incapable of understanding either the question OR the answer !..Fortunately, that number is finite, like about 2 ! (unless you count Mr.3cushion, but he's never right about ANYTHING :embarrassed2
We have one, who keeps erroneously quoting Einstein..(or making up 'Einstein quotes')...The other is 'infinitely' wiser, quoting no one but 'himself', making it impossible to prove he is NOT playing with a full web (er,deck) ! :sorry:
SJD
PS..Ya know, an old adage really applies here..."It is better to be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt" !..Hey, that may be an 'Einstein quote' ? (I'll be right back, while I look that up for you, CJ !
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No, he didn't.
"I never failed in mathematics. Before I was fifteen I had mastered differential and integral calculus."
Response to being shown a "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" column with the headline "Greatest Living Mathematician Failed in Mathematics" in 1935. Quoted in Einstein: His Life and Universe by Walter Isaacson (2007), p. 16
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E.F. Schumacher said there were 6 Million shots on a pool table
Does that mean E.F. Schumacher said there were 6 Million shots on a pool table?
Does that mean E.F. Schumacher said there were 6 Million shots on a pool table?
Your actual quote might be the only thing in this entire thread that Einstein actually "said."
It is sad to see how easy it is for misinformation to spread and become "urban legend" (AKA "hood" nonsense).
Good job helping to set the record straight,
Dave
Does that mean E.F. Schumacher said there were 6 Million shots on a pool table? <--Non-sensicle response, again
NO !!!.....It just means that its easier for you to 'quote' Mr. Jewett, or Dr. Dave, because they are too polite to be 'brutally honest'!.....Fortunately, we are not ALL hampered by those PC niceties (see post #256)...its quite obvious, most of us just love to watch you squirm ! :thumbup:
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