Was I out of line?????
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out of line? not at all -
The partial post below was copied from my post in "Ask the Cuemaker" forum. The pic didn't copy and paste...... Live and learn, be nice but don't loan your cue unless their nick-name is Jigger.
Chunk outta my buttcap !
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A good playing buddy of mine borrowed my almost perfect Scruggs SP recently. He happens to be one of the better wheelchair players nationally. In the process of rowing/wheeling around on a coarse ceramic floor he knocked a rectangular chunk out of the black buttcap about the size and depth of a penny. The TS logo was not affected. Sorry don't have pics of the new scar.
The partial post below was copied from my post in "Ask the Cuemaker" forum. The pic didn't copy and paste...... Live and learn, be nice but don't loan your cue unless their nick-name is Jigger.
Chunk outta my buttcap !
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A good playing buddy of mine borrowed my almost perfect Scruggs SP recently. He happens to be one of the better wheelchair players nationally. In the process of rowing/wheeling around on a coarse ceramic floor he knocked a rectangular chunk out of the black buttcap about the size and depth of a penny. The TS logo was not affected. Sorry don't have pics of the new scar.
shooter777 said:
If he was shooting a normal shot, no kick, jump, etc...then yes, you were out of line...At least if he had an open shot, I assume you must have gotten out of line
Not out of line at all to ask him to not use your cue. Out of line for your friend not to stand up for you when he was talking about it behind your back though. He could have easily diffused the situation, and as host, had some obligatoin to.
Cheers,
RC
shooter777 said:
Guy grabs your cue? That's out of line. To protect against this (and other cue mishaps) my habit is to hold my cue at all times between shots. When I have to rack, I put it on the table until I'm done.
No way you were out of line here that I can see!
A couple of years ago I had a similar situation... I was at this one local place, one of two (at the time - one has since closed) places in the area that had full-size tables.
Unfortunately it was the night of a big local college game, so the drunken yahoos were out in force, and many converged on this place after the game.
I had a table, and had been shooting some with this other fellow who was running solo and asked if he could join me - figured, no problem. The issue was, some of the aforementioned drunken yahoos decided they wanted to play me and this other fellow. Again, figured no problem.
So I'm there with my cue (my old old cue) and I'm letting the guy I'm shooting with use it for his shots. The other two (dumpy round drunk guy and his g/f) were using a house cue. At one point this guy gets it into his head that I've got a nicer cue than what he's using, and I'm letting my partner use it, so why shouldn't *he* get to use it too? I forget how he got ahold of it - I certainly didn't hand it to him - but somehow it ends up in his hand. I ask him to give it back - he starts in on why shouldn't he get to use it too, if I'm letting my partner use it? So my partner gets involved, and starts getting in drunk guy's face about it - drunk guy had been annoying my partner (and me) for a while now, but to a degree that was reasonably ignored - but this guy, I figure, was looking for an excuse to get in drunk guy's grill. Him hanging onto my cue was his opening. The two of them start to get into a scuffle, with drunk guy still holding onto my stick! I dash in and snatch it back. Drunk guy and g/f get walked out by the staff.
Bottom line is, your cue is your property, and it's up to *you* and you only who gets to use it besides yourself. You wouldn't take some guy grabbing your car keys, hopping in your car, and saying "Oh don't worry, I'm a good driver" and tearing off with it? Value comparisons notwithstanding, your property is your property. End of story.
Unfortunately it was the night of a big local college game, so the drunken yahoos were out in force, and many converged on this place after the game.
I had a table, and had been shooting some with this other fellow who was running solo and asked if he could join me - figured, no problem. The issue was, some of the aforementioned drunken yahoos decided they wanted to play me and this other fellow. Again, figured no problem.
So I'm there with my cue (my old old cue) and I'm letting the guy I'm shooting with use it for his shots. The other two (dumpy round drunk guy and his g/f) were using a house cue. At one point this guy gets it into his head that I've got a nicer cue than what he's using, and I'm letting my partner use it, so why shouldn't *he* get to use it too? I forget how he got ahold of it - I certainly didn't hand it to him - but somehow it ends up in his hand. I ask him to give it back - he starts in on why shouldn't he get to use it too, if I'm letting my partner use it? So my partner gets involved, and starts getting in drunk guy's face about it - drunk guy had been annoying my partner (and me) for a while now, but to a degree that was reasonably ignored - but this guy, I figure, was looking for an excuse to get in drunk guy's grill. Him hanging onto my cue was his opening. The two of them start to get into a scuffle, with drunk guy still holding onto my stick! I dash in and snatch it back. Drunk guy and g/f get walked out by the staff.
Bottom line is, your cue is your property, and it's up to *you* and you only who gets to use it besides yourself. You wouldn't take some guy grabbing your car keys, hopping in your car, and saying "Oh don't worry, I'm a good driver" and tearing off with it? Value comparisons notwithstanding, your property is your property. End of story.
Thanks guys, I was pretty heated about it at the time. (mainly his backhanded comments that he made behind my back) but I'll probably never see the guy again so it doesn't matter whatsoever at this point.
You weren't out of line at all. My cue is my cue, and NO ONE touches it without my permission, and then only for 1) good, careful players, 2) whom I know, and 3) only for a handful of test shots.
I'd flip out if a stranger banger grabbed my cue and walked away with it.
I'd flip out if a stranger banger grabbed my cue and walked away with it.
Jeffrey Gayle said:
This reminds me of the time our league had all 5 cues on a cue caddy at a table we were surrounding. Each one of those cues were easily over $1500 - ebony, ivory, turquoise, mother of pearl, etc., all nice pretty cues.
A banger comes over and starts inspecting them all and starts to take off with the 2nd one. My teammate says, "Excuuuuuuse me, that is my stick." The guy looks at it and says, "Oh, I thought it was a house stick."
rackmsuckr said:This reminds me of the time our league had all 5 cues on a cue caddy at a table we were surrounding. Each one of those cues were easily over $1500 - ebony, ivory, turquoise, mother of pearl, etc., all nice pretty cues.
A banger comes over and starts inspecting them all and starts to take off with the 2nd one. My teammate says, "Excuuuuuuse me, that is my stick." The guy looks at it and says, "Oh, I thought it was a house stick."
I want to play in the pool hall where he's used to playing in! Could you imagine what the table time would cost at a place that had $1500+ house cues?!
As far as if you were out of line or not, assuming it was an honest mistake and you were diplomatic about it, you weren't out of line in the slightest. I, like some others have said, rarely have my cue more than a foot or so away from my person at all times! I have had people try to walk off with my cues thinking they were house cues as well. I think that the purely social players just see a piece of wood...lol.
a couple things..
1. someone posted that their opponent asked to borrow their beak cue during a tournament... -- that is the most asenine thing i have ever heard... here please use my cue while you beat on me... let me help you if you can't do it yourself...
2. cues and girlfriends -- that is the truth... except most guys will think twice about stealing the cue... bringing a girl into the pool room is just asking for trouble...
3. the initial question - everyone seems to have answered it well on here, but just to play devil's advocate, this "banger" has no idea how much a cue is valued and how much of a personal connection most people have with their cues... but also it is the same with bowling...
I bowl regularly probably as much as i shoot pool now.... and when i go open bowling all of the equipment is held on the same ball return... well these "bangers" in bowling will just pick up your ball and heave it down the lane without even thinking, they also get very offended when you ask them to please not use your ball.... but hello? its a 13 pound object you are throwing at 10 other objects... if anyone is going to damage that ballit sohuld be me... but the b!tch of it is that half the time they ususally throw the ball before you can say anything and the only thing that you can do is ask them to not throw your ball AGAIN...
its very frustrating....
1. someone posted that their opponent asked to borrow their beak cue during a tournament... -- that is the most asenine thing i have ever heard... here please use my cue while you beat on me... let me help you if you can't do it yourself...
2. cues and girlfriends -- that is the truth... except most guys will think twice about stealing the cue... bringing a girl into the pool room is just asking for trouble...
3. the initial question - everyone seems to have answered it well on here, but just to play devil's advocate, this "banger" has no idea how much a cue is valued and how much of a personal connection most people have with their cues... but also it is the same with bowling...
I bowl regularly probably as much as i shoot pool now.... and when i go open bowling all of the equipment is held on the same ball return... well these "bangers" in bowling will just pick up your ball and heave it down the lane without even thinking, they also get very offended when you ask them to please not use your ball.... but hello? its a 13 pound object you are throwing at 10 other objects... if anyone is going to damage that ballit sohuld be me... but the b!tch of it is that half the time they ususally throw the ball before you can say anything and the only thing that you can do is ask them to not throw your ball AGAIN...
its very frustrating....
Once I was in a very crowed pool hall and I put my cue down to pick up my break cue. After I broke, I noticed my playing cue was gone. I looked over at the next table and some drunk guy mistook my cue for a house cue. I told him flat out that he has my cue and he looked mad and confused at the same time. In that moment I pulled it right out of his hands and walked away. I guess I could have done it with more tact, but a little while later I saw him trying to straighten out a house cue and snapped the cue in two. Thinking back, I'm rather glad I yanked my cue out of his hands. Was I out of line? I don't know, but my cue's still in one piece.
shooter777 said:
Uhhhmmmmm..............I think you were out of line....How else was it his turn to play???????
(Can't believe no one pointed that out)
Seriously........Just calmly say to them..."You do know what that cue is worth don't you"......When they find out, they will set it down right away...
I hardly ever let anyone borrow my cue unless they are a player. I hate borrowing other people's cues, usually if I do I prefer to play with their break cue or whatever the cheapest cue they have is.
I was playing at a ph and laid my cue on the table while I went to the counter to get something to drink. An older guy had my cue and was shooting balls on my table. I couldn't believe it! I asked the guy, "What the Hell do you think you're doing?" He told me that he just wanted to try my cue out. I told him that it he should have asked first. He then asked me if he could shoot a few more balls with it. I told him that if he had asked in the first place I might have but since he didn't ask the answer was "NO!!!!!!!" I grabbed my cue and went back to practicing ignoring this dumb @@@@@!
Some people just have no clue young or old and you're not going to change them by trying to be polite. I find that when there are people like that around, I make a concerted effort to let them know that I do not want to be around them in any way, shape or form!! They usually get the hint pretty quickly.
Some people just have no clue young or old and you're not going to change them by trying to be polite. I find that when there are people like that around, I make a concerted effort to let them know that I do not want to be around them in any way, shape or form!! They usually get the hint pretty quickly.
One time, a long time ago when I was still playing my Tuesday night bar league with my Szamboti, after the league meeting concluded I was playing some games on one of the tables in the bar. This girl from another team grabbed my cue right out of my hands to make a shot. It was all I could to hold myself back and not the strangle the life out of her. She gave me a "So what's the big deal?" attitude. What an ignorant @#$!@!
Another thing I hate is when someone will actualy ask to see my cue, they'll handle it all over. The courteous thing to do is, when handling a cue with a wrap, handle the cue ONLY at the wrap. You can touch the top of the screw or the bumper, but you shouldn't put your hand oils all over it.
Barbara
Another thing I hate is when someone will actualy ask to see my cue, they'll handle it all over. The courteous thing to do is, when handling a cue with a wrap, handle the cue ONLY at the wrap. You can touch the top of the screw or the bumper, but you shouldn't put your hand oils all over it.
Barbara
Once or twice a month I go to a rec center to play and there a lot of kids there sometimes. They invariably ask to use my cue, if I go to the john I take it with me or they will be using it when I get back. I bought a $10 cue at a pawn shop to loan them when they ask if they can use my cue. Keeps everybody happy.
alstl said:
Now that's promoting the sport to those that matter the most.
Good job for taking the time to do this.