Was Marlon Manalo Robbed ?

Was The Shot A Good Hit Or Bad Hit?

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spw62

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There is allot of mixed feelings about this 6 ball Shot we saw on the sunday show against Francisco Bustamante.
Marlon Manalo played a safety against Bustamante where he thinned the 6 very thin and nestled up behind it. The referee called a foul and gave Bustamante ball-in-hand. Manalo lost the set from there.
so I thought I would start a poll.
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I believe you should have a "I can't tell" choice.

I looked at the shot over and over and since I can't see the edge of the rail I can't tell if the CB hit the edge before it hit the 6 ball.

My "feeling" for whatever that is worth is that it was a foul.

But after watching the OLN tape I see that Manalo thought it was a good hit and he was the closest to the shot. Then he did say that later Bustamante did tell him that he thought it was a bad call. Listening to Manalo I get the feeling that he is upset with Bustamante for not speaking up at the time and just taking the $10,000.

In the interview Manalo says he is not a liar.

I just wish they showed the shot with the overhead camera then we would be able to tell if he skimmed the 6 ball with the CB before the CB hit the rail. Or if he missed the 6 ball on the way by and hit it after the CB touched the rail.

But, as Manalo said, that is all in the past.

Jake
 
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jjinfla said:
...But, as Manalo said, that is all in the past.
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I think Marlon Manalo reacted, as any player would who thought he made a legitimate good hit. When the referee made a call against Marlon, he obliged the referee and did not mention it again until the match concluded, with Francisco Bustamante winning the set. Marlon accepted the call, and that is the way it is supposed to work.

I have seen bad calls by refs, as they are human beings. Some referees can see things that I sure cannot with my naked eye.

Technology is a wonderful thing. Looking at the video of this questionable shot is of value. However, technology will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER replace a human being. The referee, IMHO, has the best view, as he was right on top of that shot when it occurred. He said it was a foul.

I do not think it was a foul, as I believe the 6 ball was ever so slightly hit, making it a legal shot. Marlon said he grazed the 6-ball when he executed the shot, and I think Marlon believes that he did, in fact, make contact with the 6-ball. However, it is water under the bridge at this juncture.

JAM
 
When the ref called it a bad hit, it became a bad hit regardless of what actually happened. Maybe the choices should have been "good call" or "bad call". Personally, I think the ref got it right.
Steve
 
On the initial shot I thought it was a good hit. After watching the replays I thought it was bad.

I beleive Marlon truely believed it to be a good hit and had no bad intentions when causing an argument.
 
It was a foul. I personally think part of his reaction was in disbelief that he had just put himself in that position. He should have realized before the shot that there was at least a fair possibility that the hit would be questionable at best.
 
spw62 said:
There is allot of mixed feelings about this 6 ball Shot we saw on the sunday show against Francisco Bustamante.
Marlon Manalo played a safety against Bustamante where he thinned the 6 very thin and nestled up behind it. The referee called a foul and gave Bustamante ball-in-hand. Manalo lost the set from there.
so I thought I would start a poll.
PLEASE RESPOND NOW!​
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Why all the controversary? The call was made! It ain't gonna change! It has happened before! Aren't those APA Officials? There are gonna be other bad calls! Playing and officiating from the rail is the easiest thing in the world!
 
just watching the match with the naked eye from my viewpoint i thought it was a foul, i didnt see a replay. Manolo is a pro and the way he reacted leads me to believe it was probably a good hit, but ive played with very honest people before who saw a shot one way and i the other, so anyone is prone to a mistake. The ref wasnt right there on the shot, if he was going to play a shot that was that close to a questionable hit, he should have called him over to observe it upclose imo
 
poolboy17 said:
Ahhh, no. All were established BCA national and senior national referees.
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Being an official can reaally suck. It is a thankless job.
At a recent IPT qualifier I was called to make a call. I didn't want to do it as my allergies were just killing me. I had been up most of the night and was coughing and sneezing and on the brink of jumping right into the gulf.
Anyway, David G asked to make a call Robb Saez was about to shoot. I asked him to wait as I was just about to sneeze and both seemed to get a kick out of this because they thought I just had a bad hangover.
Anyway the siezure seemed to pass and just as He shot, I sneezed. My eyes were closed at the instant he shot and they both looked at me waiting for a call. All I could say, was that I missed the call.
I guess it was pretty obvious and resolved the issue pretty easily. They did laugh at me pretty hard, but I was just glad no harm was done.
 
spw62 said:
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Marlon Manalo played a safety against Bustamante where he thinned the 6 very thin and nestled up behind it. The referee called a foul and gave Bustamante ball-in-hand. Manalo lost the set from there.
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It was a foul. Beyond that, it was one of the stupidest plays I've ever seen a pro player make. There were five better shots to shoot. I guess Manalo had a brain freeze. He didn't even leave Bustamante hooked.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It was a foul. Beyond that, it was one of the stupidest plays I've ever seen a pro player make. There were five better shots to shoot. I guess Manalo had a brain freeze. He didn't even leave Bustamante hooked.
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Please don't hold back, tell us how you really feel? LOL

I was at the event. Reyes was warming up on the table next to Manalo's when this happened. Efren saw what happened and shook his head. Reyes set the shot up, put the cueball on the other side, executed a perfect safety three times and just laughed and shook his shoulders. It was kind of funny.

Someone earlier had posted that Bustamante admitted to Manalo later it was a legal shot. I don't know how he could have even seen the shot. He was in his chair 10 feet away with the referee standing between him and the shot. The only way he could have seen it was the overhead monitor with the distorted view that the rest of were watching.

Here's a piece of technical advice for the IPT though. Have someone with technical knowledge of the game tell the cameraman where to stand to get the best view of these shots. We never got the optimal perspective.
 
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I watched the match lke everyone else. Personally, I feel as bad for the referee as I do for anyone else. He's the guy that got the heat for the call. It could have gone either way. Which ever way it goes, someone was going to think it was a bad call. I thought the call was correct. Over, done with, the end. The ref didn't have the luxory of instant replay to study over and over again. This aint football. He called what he saw. He's the official. Done deal.
Dave
 
cuebuilder said:
I watched the match lke everyone else. Personally, I feel as bad for the referee as I do for anyone else. He's the guy that got the heat for the call. It could have gone either way. Which ever way it goes, someone was going to think it was a bad call. I thought the call was correct. Over, done with, the end. The ref didn't have the luxory of instant replay to study over and over again. This aint football. He called what he saw. He's the official. Done deal.
Dave
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Of course you're right. However, the IPT has to be eating this up. It has people talking about their tv show. Those who may not have watched it the first time scrambled to see what everyone was talking about. This reaction is EXACTLY what they were looking for.
 
I've watched that safety over and over, and I cannot see the 6-ball move at all before the cueball touches the rail. Had the cueball even touched the 6-ball, it would have at least rocked or jiggled in place. It didn't, though. I think it's a foul and Manalo just plain screwed up.
 
I thought it was a good hit. It appeared to me that the cueball and 6 ball moved together for a small amount of time and that's how the cueball stayed so close to the 6. In my opinion, the only way for that kind of action to take place is if the cueball hit the 6 first to get it moving ever so slightly. If the cueball hit the rail first, there is no way for the cueball & 6 to move together. Try it and watch the reaction of both balls when you clearly hit the rail first...you will see immediate separation where the cueball will almost stop cold and the 6 will move.

Dave
 
12squared said:
I thought it was a good hit. It appeared to me that the cueball and 6 ball moved together for a small amount of time and that's how the cueball stayed so close to the 6. In my opinion, the only way for that kind of action to take place is if the cueball hit the 6 first to get it moving ever so slightly. If the cueball hit the rail first, there is no way for the cueball & 6 to move together. Try it and watch the reaction of both balls when you clearly hit the rail first...you will see immediate separation where the cueball will almost stop cold and the 6 will move.

Dave
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That was my thought exactly. If he hit the rail first, the CB would have stopped. By hitting the 6 first, then the rail, the CB had a chance to follow the 6 the way it did. Manalo was robbed!
 
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Go try it on the table and watch the video again. Rude dog knows a thing or two.
 
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