Was my combo shot legal?

[Surly]

I don't know if this is the proper forum to ask this, but I don't have a rule book yet. My husband and I have just started playing again after 20 years, and we're pretty rusty.

We were playing 8 ball today, and I had the 2 about 1/4" from the 7 and knew that I could make the 7 in the corner off the 2. Not only did I do that, but the 2 rolled pretty as you please into the other corner. No double hit by the cue - almost like a set-up shot.

Did I lose my turn because I didn't call the second ball??

 

[s'portplayer]

If you're playing call shot, it was a legal shot.

You called the 7 ball, made a good hit on the 2 ball and pocketed the 7 ball in the proper pocket. The 2 ball is just icing on the cake.

Welcome back and feel free to ask all the questions you need to.

 

[Duce]

You combo the 2 into the 7 and make the 7 and then the 2 also went in?

If you called the "kiss" and 7 in the pocket and it goes in, you're okay. Any ball that goes in afterwards is legal and still your turn.

Example:
You can call the 10 ball in the side pocket, hit the shot, and if five other balls also fall in various pockets either stripes or solids, either your balls or his balls, it is legal as long as the initial shot was called and made. Subsequent effects doesn't matter, unless you sunk the 8 ball and then you lose!!! =)

 

[Flex]

You combo the 2 into the 7 and make the 7 and then the 2 also went in?

If you called the "kiss" and 7 in the pocket and it goes in, you're okay. Any ball that goes in afterwards is legal and still your turn.

Example:
You can call the 10 ball in the side pocket, hit the shot, and if five other balls also fall in various pockets either stripes or solids, either your balls or his balls, it is legal as long as the initial shot was called and made. Subsequent effects doesn't matter, unless you sunk the 8 ball and then you lose!!! =)

Calling the "kiss" is unnecessary. The only requirement is to call a specific ball in a specific pocket. Calling kisses, caroms, billiards, combos and so on are unnecessary.

Flex

P.S.

3.4 CALLING SHOTS
For games of call-shot a player may shoot any ball he chooses, but before he shoots, must designate the called ball and called pocket. He need not indicate any detail such as kisses, caroms, combinations, or cushions (all of which are legal). “Any additionally pocketed ball(s) on a legal stroke is counted in the shooter’s favor.”

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/tournaments/rules/rls_gen.shtml

 

[Surly]

Thanks for the confirmation, everyone! Yeah, I called the 7 off the 2, but I wasn't sure how strict the rules are in 'professional' pool so I gave up the shot.

Husband has since apologized. :smile:

And thanks for the warm welcome!

 

[Duce]

Calling the "kiss" is unnecessary. The only requirement is to call a specific ball in a specific pocket. Calling kisses, caroms, billiards, combos and so on are unnecessary.

Flex

P.S.

3.4 CALLING SHOTS
For games of call-shot a player may shoot any ball he chooses, but before he shoots, must designate the called ball and called pocket. He need not indicate any detail such as kisses, caroms, combinations, or cushions (all of which are legal). ?Any additionally pocketed ball(s) on a legal stroke is counted in the shooter?s favor.?

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/tournaments/rules/rls_gen.shtml

With the BCA rules, calling pocket is good.

My buddies and I call every little detail. =)

 

[Rich R.]

With the BCA rules, calling pocket is good.

My buddies and I call every little detail. =)

You and your buddies are using some form of bar room rules. There are millions of sets of bar room rules. Calling all of the details is unnecessary in any of the official sets of rules, such as BCA, APA, TAP or WPA rules.

 

[Flex]

With the BCA rules, calling pocket is good.

My buddies and I call every little detail. =)

Unfortunately, calling every little detail gets into peoples' minds and can lead to fights, especially if there's money riding on the game. That's just one reason I hate bar pool.

Flex

 

[Black-Balled]

Calling evey detail?
:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

The game is hard enough just calling ball & pocket. Trust me.

 

[dabarbr]

Unfortunately, calling every little detail gets into peoples' minds and can lead to fights, especially if there's money riding on the game. That's just one reason I hate bar pool.

Flex

You're right. There's a lot of difference between call pocket and call shot. Stay away from call shot games when ever you can, it always leads to arguments and bad situations.

It seems that the lesser the player the more complicated they want to make the game.

The same goes for eight ball without ball in hand rules that is the topic of conversation on another thread.

 

[Surly]

This is so interesting! I learned how to shoot in a noisy bar on bar tables (I think), and every once in awhile someone would come in and try to get away with something, so naturally some bare bones rules were enforced. Call the ball, call the pocket, call the kisses.

But I fell into the trap of thinking that official rules would be even more strict. And I couldn't ever remember making such a sweet shot like I made yesterday... but my common sense told me it was still my shot.

Sometimes it's easier to let Spouse have their way, you know? :yes:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

This is so interesting! I learned how to shoot in a noisy bar on bar tables (I think), and every once in awhile someone would come in and try to get away with something, so naturally some bare bones rules were enforced. Call the ball, call the pocket, call the kisses.

But I fell into the trap of thinking that official rules would be even more strict. And I couldn't ever remember making such a sweet shot like I made yesterday... but my common sense told me it was still my shot.

Sometimes it's easier to let Spouse have their way, you know? :yes:

Over-detailed rules don't really add much to the test of skills (good players will avoid accidental kisses almost all the time anyway) and so their main effect is more arguments. Another common barroom rule that doesn't exist in "official" rules is "the 8 must go clean". Another is requiring stripes and solids to be alternated when racking ("officially" you just need a solid and a stripe on the two back corners).

Here's a link to the World Standardized Rules for 8-Ball, 9-Ball and 14.1, which are used in most higher-level tournaments: http://www.wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules

pj
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[Surly]

No, that's not complicated!

Thanks. I will brush up.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Sometimes it's easier to let Spouse have their way, you know? :yes:

Hey, I know what you mean, wink, wink! Welcome to the forum and next time, show no mercy!

 

[Str8PoolMan]

Breaking the (Ball &) Chain...

Sometimes it's easier to let Spouse have their way, you know? :yes:

Would you mind letting MY wife in on this policy?

 

[Duce]

Calling evey detail?
:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

The game is hard enough just calling ball & pocket. Trust me.

Well, we play the game well and calling banks, kiss, caroms, snookers, or whatever gives us a challenge and makes us better.

No luck shots in our games. BCA has rules for 8 ball and 9 ball, but that's for tournament.

"My buddies and I all play "spot 9" if the nine was sunken before it's turn, accidental or not, we spot the 9 ball and the person gets ball in hand".

This is not the rules according to Billiard Congress or what not, but it wouldn't the correct or decent way to win in our skilled competition. If we were playing in tournaments and/or money is involved, we follow which ever is the official rules. Then of course we would take a Fluke 9 ball any day. But since this is just a skills competition, we modify the rules.

Pool is not difficult at all. 3 coushin Carom and Snookers are. Trust me! You're more likely to sink a ball playing 8 or 9 ball than sink a snooker ball as well as hitting 3 coushins+ 2 balls.

If you think that is hard, my friends and I play 3 coushin carom and you MUST hit Coushing FIRST!