Weed Out Time

Houseman, Sorry, I have no aspirations of taking anyone's info. I'm a clean, educated guy who owns a pool room and has my own opinions.
I'll be president of the Rotary Club next year, a great organization.

Come into my place sometime and you'll find out I'm just a respectable human being who shoots a pretty fair game of pool.

I don't even know who you are and I'll play you for a few bucks.

By the way, when I opened Danny K's I made a commitment to not let any of my regulars get hustled, and if I'm there, it won't happen.

This is called integrity.

Danny K
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Don't you think that if everyone posted who they are (full name), they might begin to take a bit more responsibility for what they say?

I know it's a "privacy" issue. I think a lot of the mean spiritedness would go away if we knew who everyone is.

Just my opinion.

Danny
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I prefer to own what I say by posting my face.

My wife, kids, pets, etc. have no culpibility in my antics.
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
This is called integrity.
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Danny, unforutunately to expect complete integrity from all on the Internet is naive at best.

Dave Keith
 
I'm Not Upset....Not Even A Little Bit

Danny Kuykendal said:
Sorry, Doug, I didn't thing I was pounding into anyone's head. I was offering a suggestion only. You obviously don't agree. I respect that.
Sorry if I upset you.

I can also see why so many pros don't post here.

I own a successful pool room and am not dependant on the posters here to frequent my place. If I was, I may be more obsequious with what I post, or not post at all.

But, you know, luckily we're in a free society, and how does anyone change something? By expressing their views on things they feel strongly about.

And I'm as entitled as you are to express them.

Regards, Danny
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Yes Danny, you're as entitled to your view as anyone else here is. This isn't the first time that you've offered your view on people disclosing their full names and I suspect that it won't be the last.

I don't know you and I haven't encountered you online anywhere during the past 10 years. You're relatively new to AZB and haven't made many posts here and you certainly haven't confronted anyone in an angry manner. Better, the world were as peaceful as you, but it isn't.

I'm going to 'make up' a scenario for your perusal:
You own a poolroom and you post here (or some other pool group/forum).
One of your customers comes here and sees you posting and says that his drinks were watered down, your waitress propositioned him for sex for money, you rigged your pool tournament and when he complained, you called the police to put him out of your room without a refund (and issued a No Trespass citation to him)...

True or untrue, you try to reason with him here (in the nicest way), but he's not having any of it. Every attempt at reconciling and pleasing this angry customer makes him even more crazy. He curses you, threatens you, threatens your family and AZB Bans him from the board.

But, he has your name and address. You've been getting phonecalls every 15 mintues all night. He know what school your children attend and someone's been following your wife's car to the grocery. You call the police, but there's nothing they can/will or do.

You stop posting in the pool forum where your trouble began and join another similar site using the screen name 'RoomOwner' or DanK and then others at this new site start insisting that you can't be taken seriously because you won't post your FULL NAME.

What do you do then ? Has your postion changed ? Are you comfortable being at the BCA Trade Show across the country and leaving your wife & children home alone. Suppose your tires had been slashed, your windows broken and kitty has come up missing from your yard ?

Some (most) people never have to face such a scenario, but some DO...

Doug
( just think about it, before answering ) :)
 
I understand, Ribdoner. I guess I'm used to a more civil, responsible type of discourse than what we see here.

The only other forum I belong to people are just not afraid to post who they are, and you see almost no sniping or mean-spiritedness.

Is it the arena we're in, billiards? Because the people on this forum might do something to you for posting something that upsets them to the point of hysteria? Whereas in other areas of life, this is not likely to happen?

Danny
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Come into my place sometime and you'll find out I'm just a respectable human being who shoots a pretty fair game of pool.

I don't even know who you are and I'll play you for a few bucks.
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Do you ask your customers for their first and last names before you'll give them a table?

And I'm confused, when did this turn into a woofing match to play pool for money?

My spidey-sense is telling me you're a person to stay away from so I'll decline your offer. Good luck in your data mining effort though.
 
Doug, If it's that bad on here, ever, I'll have to stop all forums relating to pool. I'm sorry, if I say something and am not be willing to stand behind it, then it won't work for me. If someone wants to denegrate Danny K's (and of course, they can because I probably wouldn't know who they are) they can if they want.

I let my room stand on its own. More than likely, they would only look bad themselves for saying it.

However, if it is going to get to the point of someone being so upset to cause harm to me or my family because of opinions presented here, this is not where I belong.

Danny
 
Identity Theft ? Not By Spatacus

Danny Kuykendal said:
Houseman, Sorry, I have no aspirations of taking anyone's info. I'm a clean, educated guy who owns a pool room and has my own opinions.
I'll be president of the Rotary Club next year, a great organization.

Come into my place sometime and you'll find out I'm just a respectable human being who shoots a pretty fair game of pool.

I don't even know who you are and I'll play you for a few bucks.

By the way, when I opened Danny K's I made a commitment to not let any of my regulars get hustled, and if I'm there, it won't happen.

This is called integrity.

Danny K
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Danny, I understand where YOU'RE coming from fully. I understand Kevin Lindstrom's view as well. You're among the majority of well mannered, moral, intelligent, voting, tax paying, home owners that have lived an exemplary life. Sadly, the internet is accessible by youngsters, felons, whackos, terrorists and the unscrupulous.

Suppose someone takes a dislike to you because they HATE someone else they once knew, also named Danny. Because of their postion, they are able to run your credit report. Then they decide to post your:
Name
Social Security number
Your Beacon/FICO score
Your bank name and account number
All your credit cards and their numbers
Your home address
Your phone number
Your workplace and phone number

Now, even if THEY didn't use this information for their own personal gain, they've made it public for ALL to see and anyone to steal.

Doug
( I guess that I've pretty much made my case and stated MY point of view on this issue...... but that may not stop me from continuing to post in this thread...... AS USUAL :) )
 
Houseman, Sorry to upset you.

Don't these mean spirited posts begin this way, with you accusing me of mining for info, and then me throwing back some dig to you?

Anyone who knows me personally, knows that that would be impossible for me to do.

I'll let it pass.

Danny
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Houseman, Sorry to upset you.
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I'm not upset in the slightest. You ignored my questions though.
That usually only happens when someone doesn't have answers that make sense.

Do the customers that patronize your business have to supply you with their first and last names to receive service? That's an easy yes or no question.
I mean these people are breathing your air, using your equipment, crapping in your toilet and eating your food. If you don't feel it's necessary to ask your customers for their full names when they have a direct personal connection to your livelihood, then why would you be interested in people's full names on some message board where you have no personal connection?
 
I Think This Issue Requires A POLL

Danny Kuykendal said:
I understand, Ribdoner. I guess I'm used to a more civil, responsible type of discourse than what we see here.

The only other forum I belong to people are just not afraid to post who they are, and you see almost no sniping or mean-spiritedness.

Is it the arena we're in, billiards? Because the people on this forum might do something to you for posting something that upsets them to the point of hysteria? Whereas in other areas of life, this is not likely to happen?
Danny
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I would guess that there are 'at least' two whackos on this list and possibly more:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showgroups.php

Doug
( I've spent some time on the Group W bench, mydamnself ) :)

*See the green arrow above...
 
Don't MAKE Me Cut Your Grass

Btw, Danny Kuykendal, in case you haven't noticed, we are having a VERY civil discourse on this issue. No screaming, name calling or vulgarities in our conversation. I hope to sway you to the side of non-disclosure in the gentlest way possible, while using common sense. I'd like for you to see it my my way.

Doug
( and if you don't come around very quickly, I will drown your fish ) :)
 
I guess that I have to agree that there is no reasonable way to solve the privacy issue that is compounded by trolls and people who are rude in a public forum.

Many years ago the CB radio went the same way and now it is used by truckers, prostitutes, and many others who make few contributions to the world. There are some good people on the CB, but not many. Most well mannered people have private channels or ways of masking their local forums.

The point here is that the free internet, which is only open to those with a thick skin, basic vocabulary, and a mean spirited approach to life are driving out those who are not like minded. Some people find this to be fun and entertaining yet no one addresses the idea that the rude and untutored are ruining the concept for the rest of us.

The only solution I see is for a paid well monitored service for those who prefer a more civilized society. I know that I post much less than I would like to post and that I ignore most of what I read. Unfortunately, I too will leave AZB in a heart beat if I can find a better forum. I suspect that I am not alone in thinking this way. So what will all of the clowns do when they only have each other to play with?

A paid well monitored forum makes me an elitist in the eyes of some. It is easy to sling words of detraction. Currently with the level of discourse, poor taste in avatars, raunchy language, etc, I do not refer any of my friends to AZB and usually do not show my family much of what is on this board. Isn't that a shame.
 
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JoeW said:
I guess that I have to agree that there is no reasonable way to solve the privacy issue that is compounded by trolls and people who are rude in a public forum.

Many years ago the CB radio went the same way and now it is used by truckers, prostitutes, and many others who make few contributions to the world. There are some good people on the CB, but not many. Most well mannered people have private channels or ways of masking their local forums.

The point here is that the free internet, which is only open to those with a thick skin, basic vocabulary, and a mean spirited approach to life are driving out those who are not like minded. Some people find this to be fun and entertaining yet no one addresses the idea that the rude and untutored are ruining the concept for the rest of us.

The only solution I see is for a paid well monitored service for those who prefer a more civilized society. I know that I post much less than I would like to post and that I ignore most of what I read. Unfortunately, I too will leave AZB in a heart beat if I can find a better forum. I suspect that I am not alone in thinking this way. So what will all of the clowns do when they only have each other to play with?
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I can think of a couple of forums where that's/has been the case, and, it's not pretty.....:o
 
JoeW said:
I guess that I have to agree that there is no reasonable way to solve the privacy issue that is compounded by trolls and people who are rude in a public forum.

Many years ago the CB radio went the same way and now it is used by truckers, prostitutes, and many others who make few contributions to the world. There are some good people on the CB, but not many. Most well mannered people have private channels or ways of masking their local forums.

The point here is that the free internet, which is only open to those with a thick skin, basic vocabulary, and a mean spirited approach to life are driving out those who are not like minded. Some people find this to be fun and entertaining yet no one addresses the idea that the rude and untutored are ruining the concept for the rest of us.

The only solution I see is for a paid well monitored service for those who prefer a more civilized society. I know that I post much less than I would like to post and that I ignore most of what I read. Unfortunately, I too will leave AZB in a heart beat if I can find a better forum. I suspect that I am not alone in thinking this way. So what will all of the clowns do when they only have each other to play with?

A paid well monitored forum makes me an elitist in the eyes of some. It is easy to sling words of detraction. Currently with the level of discourse, poor taste in avatars, raunchy language, etc, I do not refer any of my friends to AZB and usually do not show my family much of what is on this board. Isn't that a shame.
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Truckers make few contributions to the world? What did you eat for breakfast, how did you get to work, what did you wear to work? How do you think the things you buy and use everyday get to the store you buy them from? Yeah I guess they contribute very little. JMHO

BVal
 
Why do people spend so much time worrying about various things on this forum. It is what it is. Accept it, enjoy it, avoid it, curse it, complain about it .... it's your choice. Aren't there many other more important things in your lives that you can devote your concern to, that you actually have some control over? Where that concern and energy could actually lead to some results? I hope so.
 
BVal said:
Truckers make few contributions to the world? What did you eat for breakfast, how did you get to work, what did you wear to work? How do you think the things you buy and use everyday get to the store you buy them from? Yeah I guess they contribute very little. JMHO

BVal
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I was not demeaning truckers - they have a use for the CB. My step father was a trucker and some (at least three) of my best friends are truckers. You take the argument where it does not go
 
Houseman, you accused me of mining for names. If you weren't upset, why the meaningless insult? I was responding to a personal dig. Why regard any other issues when you throw out an insult that isn't true?

It makes everything else you say appear as meaningless as the insult.

Danny
 
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