Weird Economy... What Do You Have to Trade for a Hand Tooled Case (or Two)???

Hunter

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Well, I've come to the conclusion that there might only be a few people on the planet that still have the rare commodity called "cash", in this strange economy. Since I've seen a few cues, cases, etc., on the forum that haven't been sold, I thought I'd offer one or both of these hand tooled cases for trade (I'd still take cash, too!)...

Here are the links:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=152755 This case is sold!!!

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=152760

What ya got?


Steve
 
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Hey Steve,

I've got an old Meucci that a guy had me get refinished years ago and then disappeared. Might can throw in a couple of Wheat bucks, too. :D Seriously, know what you mean......what's cash?

Hope all is well and best of luck with the cases....they're really nice looking.

Sean
 
Hi Sean,

How's it going these days? Still selling a few? You're doing better than most of you haven't spent all your Wheat Bucks yet :D!

I do think you need one of these rascals. Keep looking for that Meucci!

Take care,

Steve
 
Tell me about it. I haven't got a single offer on the cues I have listed.
 
Hal,

It's just plain strange. You have a nice Omen and a Blackcreek that should have sold five minutes after you posted them... Good luck with them, Hal!

Steve
 
I think the destruction of the artificial economy has brought pool items to a realistic cost for the first time in the past two decades. This is happening in real estate as well. Some items have "inflated" values that are not reflective of their real value as a commodity, but is reflective of what a select few people are willing to pay.

I think we have not seen the worst of it. Give it 3-4 years, and you will see people selling cues that used to retail for $1000+ for $400. Basic supply and demand laws - when supply is low, and demand is high, the equilibrium price will be higher. However, what we have now is high supply and very low demand - that forces the equilibrium price much lower. Dale Perry is a prime example - he used to have a good dealer network, and his basic cues sold for $900+. He realized where the market was going, and drastically dropped the price of his cues, and got rid of the dealer network, choosing eBay as his marketplace to sell cues. He's making a good go of it. I wouldn't be surprised if you see a lot more cuemakers and casemakers follow this business model. Just my 2 cents.
 
I actually think that it's the uncertainty of what our leadership plans on doing to deal with the banks, Wall Street, taxes, etc. to stimulate the economy that's made this market drop so fast...

With the current situation, I have no faith that this administration has a clue about how to approach it, let alone how to deal with it. This uncertainty results in people living in the fear that the only thing they feel they can be certain about, is that "cash is king", and so they don't spend any of that hard earned cash on anything other than necessities. Custom cues and cases don't fall into that category. Gas and bologna become the main concern.

Companies also start worrying about their reserves and profit margins, and start "trimming fat", in other words having a smaller crew to do more work for the same or less pay. People lose their jobs and now that discretionary spending is gone, and cues and cases aren't the only things that suffer.

As for the Dale Perry analogy, I think there's a lot more to that whole story than simply a good marketing strategy. Dale does production cues with rounded inlays done on a machine. He can call them 1 of 1's all day long, but they are production cues. He also made this move when the economy was good, so he had no idea what was going to transpire down the road (hell, Warren Buffet wasn't smart enough to see the extent of this, let alone Dale Perry!). He just decided to make cheaper cues and sell them himself (virtually screwing his dealer network who had bought cues from him when they were fairly well made, only to end up competing directly with Dale's Ebay cues).

I do think that cue prices had reached a level that was probably somewhat inflated, as well, but this is generally based on supply and demand, and when people had jobs and good stock portfolios, they could and would pay what the market would bear. In the artificial economy we were experiencing, the wages were as artificial as the prices of things, so it didn't seem "wrong" for a young person making a six figure income right out of college to be buying a house worth a million dollars, but that has changed pretty radically since the big crash.

I think we might be a little smarter in the future, and maybe the prices will eventually get back to what we had a couple of years ago, or maybe they won't, but I hope when the dust settles, we don't think that production cues or cases are the only way to go just because they're cheap. I still think there is something to be said about the pride of ownership in something that's handcrafted, and frankly that equates to money. You just can't compare a production case that's made on an assembly line in an hour and a half with cheap, untrained labor, with a unique case that has hundreds of hours of hand fitting and tooling.

Anyways, enough of the old soapbox! Thanks for your input, Shawn. We might have a difference of opinion, but that's one of the beauties of living in this country... Now back to selling cases in a bad economy :D!

Steve
 
I actually think that it's the uncertainty of what our leadership plans on doing to deal with the banks, Wall Street, taxes, etc. to stimulate the economy that's made this market drop so fast...

With the current situation, I have no faith that this administration has a clue about how to approach it, let alone how to deal with it. This uncertainty results in people living in the fear that the only thing they feel they can be certain about, is that "cash is king", and so they don't spend any of that hard earned cash on anything other than necessities. Custom cues and cases don't fall into that category. Gas and bologna become the main concern.

Companies also start worrying about their reserves and profit margins, and start "trimming fat", in other words having a smaller crew to do more work for the same or less pay. People lose their jobs and now that discretionary spending is gone, and cues and cases aren't the only things that suffer.

As for the Dale Perry analogy, I think there's a lot more to that whole story than simply a good marketing strategy. Dale does production cues with rounded inlays done on a machine. He can call them 1 of 1's all day long, but they are production cues. He also made this move when the economy was good, so he had no idea what was going to transpire down the road (hell, Warren Buffet wasn't smart enough to see the extent of this, let alone Dale Perry!). He just decided to make cheaper cues and sell them himself (virtually screwing his dealer network who had bought cues from him when they were fairly well made, only to end up competing directly with Dale's Ebay cues).

I do think that cue prices had reached a level that was probably somewhat inflated, as well, but this is generally based on supply and demand, and when people had jobs and good stock portfolios, they could and would pay what the market would bear. In the artificial economy we were experiencing, the wages were as artificial as the prices of things, so it didn't seem "wrong" for a young person making a six figure income right out of college to be buying a house worth a million dollars, but that has changed pretty radically since the big crash.

I think we might be a little smarter in the future, and maybe the prices will eventually get back to what we had a couple of years ago, or maybe they won't, but I hope when the dust settles, we don't think that production cues or cases are the only way to go just because they're cheap. I still think there is something to be said about the pride of ownership in something that's handcrafted, and frankly that equates to money. You just can't compare a production case that's made on an assembly line in an hour and a half with cheap, untrained labor, with a unique case that has hundreds of hours of hand fitting and tooling.

Anyways, enough of the old soapbox! Thanks for your input, Shawn. We might have a difference of opinion, but that's one of the beauties of living in this country... Now back to selling cases in a bad economy :D!

Steve

I agree Steve. I don't think that many people realize just how many hours of work goes into cases like these. Like you said, many times there are hundreds of hours in them so I don't see how anyone could afford to sell them for any less.
Great looking cases, good luck with your sales.
 
Thanks Rusty! It is strange that people think that other people's time shouldn't be worth anything and yet somehow theirs should. Fortunately, this casemaker is "retired", so he can live on the average of $4.15/hr he makes on these cases...

Regards,

Steve
 
I can not wait to see my new case,check your pm for trade offer for more.I like the looks of these envelope cases,I hope they compliment my Rusty Melton tooled cases which are the nicest I have ever seen.

DEAN
 
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