What a tool!!!

shooter_Hans said:
Instead the parents going crazy and she didn't shake hands. I believe she may be a brat.
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That’s just not cool to make that assumption. Based on the video and audio at the end of that match, it appeared she said she only shakes hands, which makes me believe she was more than willing to shake his hand.

It was someone else you could hear telling her not to shake his hand before totally going off on him.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
The lesson to be learned is for the benefit of her parents - to act like they’ve been there before and to not embarrass their daughter. From all indications, she handled herself just fine.
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I dunno. To me it sounded like she refused shaking or knuckle bumping or whatever. Which doesn’t surprise me based on the influence of her parents.
 
he gets vilified for calling a rule. and she gets a pass for not shaking hands.
is this a poor girl got screwed deal.

now if he shouldnt have called it on her. and maybe he shouldnt have, and just say she should have been warned.
then does that mean all players should just be warned first time. or just young girl players.
and what rules does that apply to. open the can of worms.

what if it was hill hill and a big payday of tens of thousands. do you still let it go and watch your money go to someone else that made the last mistake in the game and now wins.
 
sigep1967 said:

Watch at 39.48 this tool calls Roadrunner a foul on an obvious combo that half the pros would never call in a match. Hoag did did not say what was said at the end of the match.
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Nits gonna nit. But the end was super F wet. Learn a lesson and leave the cringe out of it.
 
sjm said:
Actually, that's mostly only true for pre-nine-ball-era play in which there was no TV coverage. That type of nine ball was abandoned in tournament play over forty years ago because it slowed down the game too much for it to be watchable on TV?
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true, and good point, but my point remains that games change as time passes, and 10 ball is no exception.

sjm said:
Yes, that's accurate. It was adopted by the PBT (Pro Billiards Tour) in 1998 for that very reason and the game was played with Texas Express rules.
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at the time, 10 ball provided the game that the players needed to take away the wing ball. Nowadays with templates, the top guys have mostly figured out the 10 ball break thusly negating it’s former purpose. so how do we make it different from/harder than 9ball? It just evolved naturally into call shot. While 9 ball can be fun and exciting when a player catches a roll and rats in a ball, i think some players dislike the “luck” of it.
sjm said:
Me too, but it's a good game without it, too. In England, an 8ball rack doesn't even have numbers on the balls, so there is no call shot. I'm not sure their version of eight ball is in any way inferior to the American way. FYI, it's the game that gave us both Appleton and Shaw.
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i’m inclined to concur, but am confused that you don’t feel the same way about rotation games. call shot or not, i don’t think rotation suffers, it just makes for two completely different games. i know you disagree and that’s totally cool.
sjm said:
A reasonable point of view for sure, but not mine. It 10ball fell off the face of the earth, I wouldn't be bothered by it in the least.
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I wouldn’t miss it either. 9 ball already exists and i do enjoy the luck involved, but some players prefer that slop not count à la 14.1. So instead of having some weird offshoot call shot 9 ball for those players, 10 ball stepped in to fill the roll.
sjm said:
Similar level of entertainment, except the runouts are just slightly tougher in 10ball.
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that was kind of my point. Texas express 10 ball is just kind of moot. It’s 9ball with another ball. Why not 11 ball? 13 ball? So let 10 ball die (which we both agree would be okay) or let it evolve.
sjm said:
Thanks for these very well considered remarks.
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same to you, always a pleasure
 
soyale said:
true, and good point, but my point remains that games change as time passes, and 10 ball is no exception.


at the time, 10 ball provided the game that the players needed to take away the wing ball. Nowadays with templates, the top guys have mostly figured out the 10 ball break thusly negating it’s former purpose. so how do we make it different from/harder than 9ball? It just evolved naturally into call shot. While 9 ball can be fun and exciting when a player catches a roll and rats in a ball, i think some players dislike the “luck” of it.

i’m inclined to concur, but am confused that you don’t feel the same way about rotation games. call shot or not, i don’t think rotation suffers, it just makes for two completely different games. i know you disagree and that’s totally cool.

I wouldn’t miss it either. 9 ball already exists and i do enjoy the luck involved, but some players prefer that slop not count à la 14.1. So instead of having some weird offshoot call shot 9 ball for those players, 10 ball stepped in to fill the roll.

that was kind of my point. Texas express 10 ball is just kind of moot. It’s 9ball with another ball. Why not 11 ball? 13 ball? So let 10 ball die (which we both agree would be okay) or let it evolve.

same to you, always a pleasure
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Quite like 10-ball tbh - enjoyed reading you and SJM comments
 
RakRunr said:
Before I begin, I agree the shooter's intent was absolutely clear, and I would personally not have made this call in this situation. In friendlier games, I typically point out the rule to my opponent and ask them to be sure to call such shots in the future.

Regardless of my personal feelings, this is precisely why WSR and CSI explicitly define what is considered "not obvious":
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If a person cannot accept that all pool games are basically "friendly" then what can anyone say?
 
rharm said:
I agree with you, the shot was very obvious and also agree that the rules state combos must be called. If a ref had been at the table, they would have called the foul. I find these type of situations interesting when a ref is not present, which rules do you feel should be enforced and which rules should not be and how do you determine that.
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If someone is so nitty as to call that when a ref isn't present then I am nitty enough to tell the ref when they show up that I did in fact call it. Then when they leave and the nit is upset I will just say "sit down and shut up nit"
 
Coos Cues said:
If someone is so nitty as to call that when a ref isn't present then I am nitty enough to tell the ref when they show up that I did in fact call it. Then when they leave and the nit is upset I will just say "sit down and shut up nit"
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that'd work if it wasn't on camera lol
 
Texas Carom Club said:
Even tho both balls infront of the pocket she’s shooting to go in?
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You can only call one ball. If you call both balls, my bar sense dictates both have to go. In Filipino rotation, they have a shitty roll rule where the incoming player has the option of a spot shot.
I'm not sure if players have any options in official call all 10 ball.
 
Flakeandrun said:
It's competitive/tournament play... rules are rules... No problem with what he did... just nitty.
The problem is the butthurt shit talk at the end imo...
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Got all that. Can't disagree - dickheads are a part of competition. I was wondering about the incoming options. For instance if somebody once nailed you on an uncall, you could reciprocate with a badly/un called safety.
 
I know I said I’d stay out of this thread, and I have for the most part. So here’s additional crap, which I knew would happen. People at the event physically and verbally harassing Dang Huy Hoang.

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sjm said:
Hope you're wrong. She needed to learn how "call shot" games are played in pro events. What she or anyone else thinks the rules should be is not relevant, nor is what the rules once were. As Bob Jewett so often points out, players make almost no effort to learn the rules, and often get burned because of it.
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I know you're right Stu, but I watched several matches in the amateur divisons (Ten Ball and Eight Ball) where the players were not strictly adhering to this rule and their opponent said nothing. Of course maybe they didn't know either. :sneaky:

One thing for sure. Savannah learned this lesson the hard way. My real issue here is why even have rules like this in Ten Ball? Who makes these rules, like the eight ball no longer counts on the break in Eight Ball or that the ten ball does not count on the break in Ten Ball. If not, then the nine ball shouldn't count on the break either, since it's far easier to make than the ten ball.

Oh well, in the overall scheme of things it's no big deal, just something to give us fodder on here.
 
spartan said:
Yes not sure why folks here keeping saying he called foul when there was none :LOL:
I think players explicitly call 10 ball even if it is obvious may be partly due to this Biado v Pupul in a Manny Pacquiao tournament some time ago
At 1:52:40 Hill hill, Biado did not call obvious direct 10 ball :LOL: Lost match cos the tournament had silly must call 10 ball even obvious ones.

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I was there for that one. A $5,000 mistake (10K first and 5K second). Just watch until the end. You will see Jeff Deluna, Dennis Orcollo and Efren walking around there. I sat ringside and if you listen carefully someone calls my name and asks me what the call should be. I told him I'm not the ref! I damn sure didn't want to get involved in that one. Near the very end you will see me walk across the arena; green shirt, black hat and white shorts. That's me!
 
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