What a tool!!!

This has been pointed out before, but some seem to have missed it the first time around....

The CSI call-shot rules are very strict. Here is what the CSI rulebook has to say:

When playing call shot games, remember that shots defined as not obvious, and safeties,
must be explicitly called. There are no exceptions under any circumstances, regardless
of how simple or obvious the shot may appear. There may be other types of shots that
must be called as well, depending on the circumstances. Also, please be sure to
communicate clearly with your opponent when playing a safety. The Rules and Applied
Rulings have additional guidance for calling shots and safeties.

Here is the CSI list of non-obvious shots:

The following types of shots are exceptions and are defined as being "not obvious":
a. bank shots;
b. kick shots
c. combination shots;
d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not incidental;
e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee.

The shot was a combination, and therefor absolutely required to be called. I think the CSI rules are very, very clear. The ball was not called. The rule book makes a really big deal about it. Maybe players should pay attention to what the rule book says.

This is how eight ball is played in CSI since eight ball is a call-shot game in the CSI rule book. I assume that nearly every BCAPL and USAPL player knows that the shot in question had to be explicitly called to count.
 
The reaction to this situation is way over the top and uncalled for. Calling what he did “nitty” or saying you’d never call that on an opponent is a YOU decision. I probably wouldn’t have called that on her either, but this guy did nothing wrong by choosing to enforce the rules as they were written. Being unhappy about that is on you as a competitor. Know the rules, play by the rules, and don’t expect your competitors to give you leeway because something is ticky tacky, you’re a kid, or anything like that.

Furthermore, putting this guy on blast on social media and posting personal info about him as some way to damage his reputation or whatever is just wrong. There is no room in this sport for that kind of behavior. Same with making comments about how if she was their daughter they’d see him in the parking lot or crap like that. That’s scumbag mentality and the exact type of behavior pool, and life in general, needs to rid itself of.
 
This has been pointed out before, but some seem to have missed it the first time around....

The CSI call-shot rules are very strict. Here is what the CSI rulebook has to say:

When playing call shot games, remember that shots defined as not obvious, and safeties,
must be explicitly called. There are no exceptions under any circumstances, regardless
of how simple or obvious the shot may appear. There may be other types of shots that
must be called as well, depending on the circumstances. Also, please be sure to
communicate clearly with your opponent when playing a safety. The Rules and Applied
Rulings have additional guidance for calling shots and safeties.

Here is the CSI list of non-obvious shots:

The following types of shots are exceptions and are defined as being "not obvious":
a. bank shots;
b. kick shots
c. combination shots;
d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not incidental;
e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee.

The shot was a combination, and therefor absolutely required to be called. I think the CSI rules are very, very clear. The ball was not called. The rule book makes a really big deal about it. Maybe players should pay attention to what the rule book says.

This is how eight ball is played in CSI since eight ball is a call-shot game in the CSI rule book. I assume that nearly every BCAPL and USAPL player knows that the shot in question had to be explicitly called to count.

I didn't watch the whole match to verify this but I saw it claimed that hoang didn't call three ten balls in the match with Savannah. If true, that would certainly put a new spin on things, throwing any claims of him just being a by the rules martinet out the window.

Hu
 
This has been pointed out before, but some seem to have missed it the first time around....

The CSI call-shot rules are very strict. Here is what the CSI rulebook has to say:

When playing call shot games, remember that shots defined as not obvious, and safeties,
must be explicitly called. There are no exceptions under any circumstances, regardless
of how simple or obvious the shot may appear. There may be other types of shots that
must be called as well, depending on the circumstances. Also, please be sure to
communicate clearly with your opponent when playing a safety. The Rules and Applied
Rulings have additional guidance for calling shots and safeties.

Here is the CSI list of non-obvious shots:

The following types of shots are exceptions and are defined as being "not obvious":
a. bank shots;
b. kick shots
c. combination shots;
d. shots that include caroms, kisses or cushion contacts that are not incidental;
e. any shot judged as not obvious by the referee.

The shot was a combination, and therefor absolutely required to be called. I think the CSI rules are very, very clear. The ball was not called. The rule book makes a really big deal about it. Maybe players should pay attention to what the rule book says.

This is how eight ball is played in CSI since eight ball is a call-shot game in the CSI rule book. I assume that nearly every BCAPL and USAPL player knows that the shot in question had to be explicitly called to count.
I thought they were playing 10 ball? Which ironically is a call shot game with no need to call a safety if playing one.
 
I thought they were playing 10 ball? Which ironically is a call shot game with no need to call a safety if playing one.
agreed, in the current ten ball rules there is a section on safety but it is completely pointless and useless and honestly laughable.

“The shooter, after the break at any time may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)”

so calling safe is treated the same as making a ball in the wrong pocket. there is never under any circumstance a reason to call safety in ten ball, unless for some crazy reason you wanted to shoot an “obvious” shot and give your opponent the option like a push shot. Again, i cannot think of any reason anybody would want to do this.
 
agreed, in the current ten ball rules there is a section on safety but it is completely pointless and useless and honestly laughable.

“The shooter, after the break at any time may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)”

so calling safe is treated the same as making a ball in the wrong pocket. there is never under any circumstance a reason to call safety in ten ball, unless for some crazy reason you wanted to shoot an “obvious” shot and give your opponent the option like a push shot. Again, i cannot think of any reason anybody would want to do this.
I agree there usually is no reason to call a safety.

A instance where you may call safe and pocket a ball-you have a shot at the 1 where you can pocket it but can't get shape on the 2. You play it to force the opponent to decide if they want the jump or kick on the 2 or if they are going to let you take it. I am not a good jumper but I know the majority of my opponents aren't either so I don't mind giving them a chance at the jump. I do kick pretty good so I may leave them that kick believing they will give it back since they jump bad but kick even worse since they have a jump stick and don't need to kick😉
 
I agree there usually is no reason to call a safety.

A instance where you may call safe and pocket a ball-you have a shot at the 1 where you can pocket it but can't get shape on the 2. You play it to force the opponent to decide if they want the jump or kick on the 2 or if they are going to let you take it. I am not a good jumper but I know the majority of my opponents aren't either so I don't mind giving them a chance at the jump. I do kick pretty good so I may leave them that kick believing they will give it back since they jump bad but kick even worse since they have a jump stick and don't need to kick😉
In this case there is always a better shot getting safe off the one than pocketing it.
 
I didn't watch the whole match to verify this but I saw it claimed that hoang didn't call three ten balls in the match with Savannah. If true, that would certainly put a new spin on things, throwing any claims of him just being a by the rules martinet out the window.

Hu
I think you may be missing what an "obvious" shot is under CSI rules. It's possible for an entire match to be played with no ball ever explicitly called.
 
I thought they were playing 10 ball? Which ironically is a call shot game with no need to call a safety if playing one.
If you make an obvious shot without saying anything, you are required to play the next shot. There are such shots at 14.1.
 
If you make an obvious shot without saying anything, you are required to play the next shot. There are such shots at 14.1

There is simply no situation that comes up in the game of 10 ball where calling safe is necessary or advantageous in any way.

The result of the shot always speaks for itself.
 
Not if the 1 is hanging the pocket.
Then you are playing shape to play safe off of the 2. Which is virtually always available unless the two is somehow surrounded by balls with no hit possible and even then you can usually bump the cluster.
 
yep her parents want her to not be treated as a child and that's good as she is competing against grown ups.

however they get mad if someone treats the rules as if she was a grown up competitor.

that said, those that made bad comments about the guy should look inward at themselves as being the tools and nits.
because neither of those descriptions relate to the situation.
 
Well I guess you either don't understand the rules of 10 ball or have never played it much.

What I said was correct and you did not refute it in spite of believing that you did.
I play 10ball. You obviously didn't understand the hypothetical situation.
 
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