What are some good choices for a leather break tip?

thubosky

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I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????
 
Tip on tip....

I have a Mezz, and I went back to a Triangle, pressed in a vise before being put on... very hard tip, but you can control the CB.

My .02
 
Samsara, Odega or the Outsville tips are your choices, if you don't want to experiment with pressing your own tips.
I highly recomend you check out Taom tips, even if ut's not a leather tip.
 
Samsara, Odega or the Outsville tips are your choices, if you don't want to experiment with pressing your own tips.
I highly recomend you check out Taom tips, even if ut's not a leather tip.

Thanks. I was supposed to get a sample Outsville Solid break tip for about 2 years now and was really looking forward to it, but it seems like Chris stopped allowing people to pm him so I can't get a hold of him. And I was just talking to him in the thread about it and said I'd buy it even, but then he stopped responding so idk. I'm not going to beg someone to use their products. When he first said about the samples I needed a break tip then and waited and waited and had to go with this samsara.

The owner of Odega actually pmed me and said about trying his break tip out so I thought that was cool. I'm waiting to hear back from him. Does anyone know where to buy them?

Also I saw blackheart tips have a break tip out now, any reviews?
 
Break tip

Non black non clear non layered run of the mill Triangle tip.

In my original reply I just wrote ( triangle ) and clicked the post button but a little window pop up and said I needed to write more in order to post my reply .

So my response is Triangle and the other 10 or 11 words is all BS, totally useless.

Now what kind of BS is this that a one word answer doesn't work anymore .
 
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Thanks. I was supposed to get a sample Outsville Solid break tip for about 2 years now and was really looking forward to it, but it seems like Chris stopped allowing people to pm him so I can't get a hold of him. And I was just talking to him in the thread about it and said I'd buy it even, but then he stopped responding so idk. I'm not going to beg someone to use their products. When he first said about the samples I needed a break tip then and waited and waited and had to go with this samsara.

The owner of Odega actually pmed me and said about trying his break tip out so I thought that was cool. I'm waiting to hear back from him. Does anyone know where to buy them?

Also I saw blackheart tips have a break tip out now, any reviews?

I need the address to send out the sample...

I turned off PMs here because I no longer check in here but maybe once a day at most and having to check multiple emails, facebook groups and Facebook IMs meant something had to go...

I have pretty much gone to the dark side and frequent Facebook...

If anyone is not on Facebook you can leave messages in the store at Outsville.com or you can email me at Outsville@hotmail.com.......

Chris
 
I need the address to send out the sample...

I turned off PMs here because I no longer check in here but maybe once a day at most and having to check multiple emails, facebook groups and Facebook IMs meant something had to go...

I have pretty much gone to the dark side and frequent Facebook...

If anyone is not on Facebook you can leave messages in the store at Outsville.com or you can email me at Outsville@hotmail.com.......

Chris

Hey Chris thanks for the reply. I just sent you an email. Didn't know how to send you a msg on Facebook, it wouldn't let me.
Thanks,
Tim
 
i have a gator tip on my jump break. Andy Gilbert has them great tip!!!!
 
I'll second this. I bought one of Chris' Hammerhead jump/break tips and drive 40 minutes to have it installed, only to realize I left the tip at home, lol.

The cuemaker said he had some of the gator tips on hand though and installed one of those instead and it breaks and jumps great. I guess it's been on for 5 months or so now and I've had no issues with it whatsoever.

I still have the Hammerhead tip though. It will go on my break cue someday when this gator tip wears out.

LOL Sooner it does the sooner your break will get faster :p

Seriously tho the gator tip is fairly new and it competes with Samsara, Odega, and Our "Solid". The Hammerhead is 100% Synthetic. The feedback on the gator has been good and they have not seemed to have had the delamination issues the Samsara has.

I have 2 of them sitting here for testing but the COR station was destroyed during the renovations last month to make room for the chalk production and I have been acquiring pieces to make a new and improved one...
 
So what is the difference between a regular tip, such as a triangle or other hard tip, and a dedicated "break" tip, other than cost?
 
I highly recommend SuperPro Tips for Breaking and Playing.
It is a Great all-around Tip and very modestly priced.

I have converted many hardcore Players over the past ten
years and they sing the praises of SuperPro Tips.
 
So whats everyone liking these days???????


I have two shafts with my break cue one has phenolic tip and
the other, the one I use all the time, has a hard Kamui black.
I don't like breaking with phenolic or any of those super hard
leather tips because I simply don't have the same control as
with regular leather tips.
 
The Samsara break tip crushes the rack, it's super hard, but it still gives me all the control I want.

10/10 in my books.
 
So what is the difference between a regular tip, such as a triangle or other hard tip, and a dedicated "break" tip, other than cost?

Break tips are much harder allowing the player more power (more efficient transfer of energy) on the break. The downside is that the harder the tip, the less spin (ie. control) one has over the cue ball. So there's a balance to be struck, especially given the proliferation of non-leather (ex. phenolic) tips used on break cues.

Here's a chart that details the hardness of all the common tips.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/tip_hardness_chart.pdf
 
Asking about the best break tip is like asking what the best car is. It's totally subjective. Phenolics and thermoset tips will not compress as much, so there will be less energy lost in compressing the tip. However, that also causes a slight lift in the cue ball. Put a line of dimes on a line to the head ball in the rack. Hit a break with a phenolic, or super hard tip, and you may find the cue ball was airborne the entire distance to the head ball. With a leather tip, it will compress more, and the downward strike won't make the lift as pronounced. You may hit the last few dimes. You don't transfer as much energy to the rack if you're hitting the head ball above the equator, because physically, some force is displaced in a downward direction into the balls behind it. Slate isn't perfectly elastic, so you will lose transferred energy.

The reason for a super hard tip is to increase velocity off the front end. I don't necessarily think that a 30 mph break is better than a 23 mph break, unless you're as accurate at both speeds. Trust me, you can't be. Let's say I can hit the head ball square every single time at 20mph, but only hit with 60% full transfer at 30. Math time. The first break will transfer all of its energy into the head ball. The second will transfer 30x0.6=18 mph effective breaking force. I don't see any huge advantage to a phenolic tip. If you're amongst the elite, and can control it, there's definitely an advantage. If you're not at that level, the tip will not be a huge deciding factor in how well you break. Your mechanics will. David Howard broke huge with a bullwhip Meucci with a Le Pro tip and soft plastic ferrules. Shane breaks like a monster with his playing cue. Figure out what works for you, and stick with it.

I like a good pressed Le Pro as a break tip. Squish it in a vise, and it's good to go. Holds chalk better than the composite tips, too.
 
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ODEGA - all day long

I have an original ob break cue and I have a second or third samsara break tip on it. It is down to almost the carbon fiber pad because every so often it seems to lose a layer in the middle. Almost seems like the glue dried up and it pops a layer off and I have a volcano tip lol.

So whats everyone liking these days???????

Absolutely without question...do youself a favor and try an ODEGA!!!
I have a breakRak, with a radar on it. I have experimented with many different players, many different cues, and had the radar to rule out anything but fact.

The ODEGA is lather, doesn't miscue, hits the cueball with the Same speed as my g10 1 piece ferule/tip - but doesn't cost you control like the phenolic. You can really get into the break knowing that the tip won't let go of the cueball. Also, I like the feedback of the leather tip...it's the same feel of a normal tip but much harder.
Nobody has brought me any tip or cue setup that hits higher numbers on the radar than my carmeli Ebony break cue with an ODEGA tip. I promise you...you'll love the ODEGA. It's a beast. Another thing I like about it...you can PLAY with it too!!! Seriously, you can put the same English as any other cue tip, it just won't miscue. It's amazing. Had it 3 years, never scuffed, shaped it, or anything. Hasn't mushroomed, I use it every week. Seriously it's an amazing tip.
jacoby has them. They put mine on. I just sent them my shaft. I'm glad I did. They did same day turnaround and got it right back in the mail. Expensive option, but I'd say it's lifetime, so who cares.
 
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Asking about the best break tip is like asking what the best car is. It's totally subjective. Phenolics and thermoset tips will not compress as much, so there will be less energy lost in compressing the tip. However, that also causes a slight lift in the cue ball. Put a line of dimes on a line to the head ball in the rack. Hit a break with a phenolic, or super hard tip, and you may find the cue ball was airborne the entire distance to the head ball. With a leather tip, it will compress more, and the downward strike won't make the lift as pronounced. You may hit the last few dimes. You don't transfer as much energy to the rack if you're hitting the head ball above the equator, because physically, some force is displaced in a downward direction into the balls behind it. Slate isn't perfectly elastic, so you will lose transferred energy.

The reason for a super hard tip is to increase velocity off the front end. I don't necessarily think that a 30 mph break is better than a 23 mph break, unless you're as accurate at both speeds. Trust me, you can't be. Let's say I can hit the head ball square every single time at 20mph, but only hit with 60% full transfer at 30. Math time. The first break will transfer all of its energy into the head ball. The second will transfer 30x0.6=18 mph effective breaking force. I don't see any huge advantage to a phenolic tip. If you're amongst the elite, and can control it, there's definitely an advantage. If you're not at that level, the tip will not be a huge deciding factor in how well you break. Your mechanics will. David Howard broke huge with a bullwhip Meucci with a Le Pro tip and soft plastic ferrules. Shane breaks like a monster with his playing cue. Figure out what works for you, and stick with it.

I like a good pressed Le Pro as a break tip. Squish it in a vise, and it's good to go. Holds chalk better than the composite tips, too.

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't a big fan of phenolics. I seem to lose the control and usually pop the cue off the table. With the samsara I seem to be able to get a better break like you are saying because I can control more of the cue ball hitting below the equator of the head ball. My problem is that my last few samsara tips have delaminated so I just don't want to buy another even though I was happy with the performance.

I was really hoping to get the sample promised by Renfro's sample giveaway to try his leather based break tip, even offered to pay for it, but I've given my address for a second time and still haven't heard anything over a week now and really need a break tip, so I think I am going to go with the Odega based on all the positive reviews.

Also, he seems really appreciative about every possible customer, he even pmed me on here about trying out one of his break tips. That's a good business man caring about every single customer. So I'm hoping I like it!
Thanks,
Tim
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't a big fan of phenolics. I seem to lose the control and usually pop the cue off the table. With the samsara I seem to be able to get a better break like you are saying because I can control more of the cue ball hitting below the equator of the head ball. My problem is that my last few samsara tips have delaminated so I just don't want to buy another even though I was happy with the performance.

I was really hoping to get the sample promised by Renfro's sample giveaway to try his leather based break tip, even offered to pay for it, but I've given my address for a second time and still haven't heard anything over a week now and really need a break tip, so I think I am going to go with the Odega based on all the positive reviews.

Also, he seems really appreciative about every possible customer, he even pmed me on here about trying out one of his break tips. That's a good business man caring about every single customer. So I'm hoping I like it!
Thanks,
Tim

Tim... Check your mailbox... Tracking says it got there yesterday... =)
 
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