What are you best banking/kicking systems?
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Do you know about the "spot on the wall" system? Do you know how to use the diamonds to get to a certain point (dividing the number of diamonds by two)?
So lets say you want to kick and your cueball is in the corner pocket and the ball you want to hit is on the second diamond past the side pocket, both are against the rail: count how many diamonds the cueball and object ball are from each other (there should be 6 diamond separation); divide that by two to get where you would hit the opposite rail to make the hit; level cue, center ball, I like to hit it a little above center medium speed.
This creates "tracks" of where the cueball will travel (the line that takes you to the first rail and the line that takes you to the object ball off the rail. If a ball is sitting anywhere on that line (track), you would hit it. If it is off the line slightly, simply adjust your aim point half the distance the object ball is away from the line.
With this said, when banking you are always going to a pocket. You can figure the right diamond to diamond connection I just described above to bank the ball to a particular pocket, and from the angle into the rail (similar to the cueball position) view a point on the wall, chair, table or whatever is out there about a table length away, and make a note of it. For many of the banks to that same pocket you can simply aim the object ball to that spot on the wall each time without recalculating.
I hope this makes sense, but there are many systems for banking, but these two seem to bee the easiest for me. You need to be able to divide by two and remember the spot you select. Good luck.
Dave
So lets say you want to kick and your cueball is in the corner pocket and the ball you want to hit is on the second diamond past the side pocket, both are against the rail: count how many diamonds the cueball and object ball are from each other (there should be 6 diamond separation); divide that by two to get where you would hit the opposite rail to make the hit; level cue, center ball, I like to hit it a little above center medium speed.
This creates "tracks" of where the cueball will travel (the line that takes you to the first rail and the line that takes you to the object ball off the rail. If a ball is sitting anywhere on that line (track), you would hit it. If it is off the line slightly, simply adjust your aim point half the distance the object ball is away from the line.
With this said, when banking you are always going to a pocket. You can figure the right diamond to diamond connection I just described above to bank the ball to a particular pocket, and from the angle into the rail (similar to the cueball position) view a point on the wall, chair, table or whatever is out there about a table length away, and make a note of it. For many of the banks to that same pocket you can simply aim the object ball to that spot on the wall each time without recalculating.
I hope this makes sense, but there are many systems for banking, but these two seem to bee the easiest for me. You need to be able to divide by two and remember the spot you select. Good luck.
Dave
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This is a great description of the one taught to me:
http://www.poolstudent.com/2010/01/22/system-sid-1-by-scott-rohleder/
As someone who's more of a Sang Lee type at heart that would rather feel his way through every shot, switching to a system was hard
I'm a believer now though
The advantage to a system is that you can quantify how much to adjust for any particular table, it's rails and the general conditions that day (temperature and humidity). Plus when the pressure's on it's difficult enough to concentrate on your stroke and line without having to tap into the force at the same time.
http://www.poolstudent.com/2010/01/22/system-sid-1-by-scott-rohleder/
As someone who's more of a Sang Lee type at heart that would rather feel his way through every shot, switching to a system was hard
I'm a believer now thoughThe advantage to a system is that you can quantify how much to adjust for any particular table, it's rails and the general conditions that day (temperature and humidity). Plus when the pressure's on it's difficult enough to concentrate on your stroke and line without having to tap into the force at the same time.
Honestly, for the longest time, I would envision an equilaterial triangle (long sides are the same length) where the corners are the cue ball and object ball (or extension of the path that has the OB so that the bottom of the triangle formed a parallel line with the opposite rail) and aim for the top point of the triangle. It was entirely based on feel and banging balls around for a long time. It worked... decently enough, but not for tricky speed and/or english requiring bank lanes.
Then I learned a few different ways to more accurately deal with banks from both the VEPS Disc 4, and there's even a nice little systematic section on the Mastering Pool Disc 3. I've also picked up the Beard's book which is nice, and other tidbits from around the web.
Then I learned a few different ways to more accurately deal with banks from both the VEPS Disc 4, and there's even a nice little systematic section on the Mastering Pool Disc 3. I've also picked up the Beard's book which is nice, and other tidbits from around the web.
For banks - get your hands on Freddy The Beard's stuff - its simply the best information you will ever find.
For kicking - I have this file available for free through my website
Kicking Academy
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For kicking - I have this file available for free through my website
Kicking Academy
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For some reason I can not open the link or download it so I can see it??? Just a bunch of computer codes.
send me your e-mail address and I'll make sure you get a copy.
Banking Lanes
A "banking lane" is an area between two "banking guidelines" that helps you visualize the bank angle for a ball within the banking lane. The blue lines below are guidelines. The areas between them are banking lanes.
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chgo
A "banking lane" is an area between two "banking guidelines" that helps you visualize the bank angle for a ball within the banking lane. The blue lines below are guidelines. The areas between them are banking lanes.
pj
chgo
The most common, popular, and useful kicking and banking systems are described, illustrated, and demonstrated here:
Also, other useful information concerning banks and kicks can be found here:
Enjoy,
Dave
Also, other useful information concerning banks and kicks can be found here:
Enjoy,
Dave
chefdrew: I teach a specialty class of Kicking & Banking. It's all hands on. Usually takes us a day. If interested just let me know. I might be in your area soon.....SPF=randyg
For two rail kicks. Imagine a line between the CB and the OB and find the exact middle of this line. From this point aim at a pocket (90% corner but occasionaly a side). This aim line is now transfered to the CB (that is moved while retaining the same angular relationship) and becomes the point of aim for the CB. Use a touch of running english.
I picked this up by watching WPBA.
I picked this up by watching WPBA.
This is a seldom documented, but VERY easy and repeatible method for 2 rail kicks. Easy and works well, but hard to get real accuracy on the hit. This is the nuts if you just want to make the hit.
the quality of the hit is equal to the quality of the measurement..grab a sloppy line get a sloppy hit....the more time you take... the better the contact... this system is as good as any as long as nothing is it the way... get a clean deadball hit.... get a clean line...
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Couldnt agree more Dave...
I use a diamond system taught to me by billiard player/room owner Hernando Pineras {RIP} and 30+ yrs of feel.
Grady made an awesome video years ago IMO.