that shelf is deeper than a justnum post.
what causes so many shots to hang
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We bought two new Olhausen Pro 8’s for our Veterans club. I’ve never heard so much bitchin about pockets in my life. The pockets are tight and the shelf is deep.
the combination of shelf depth and weird pocket angles results in the notorious 'Oly rattle'. tell your vets to aim for the middle more.
Same thing I say to the diamond haters.. you don’t like it not going in? Hit it better . They aren’t all supposed to go in when you hit like shitits because you hit it like shit. case closed.
Agreed, pocket facing angles. Any PFA’s greater than 140°-141° get progressively more likely to rattle, especially when combined with generous pocket mouths. Also on any table, as the cloth gets more worn, balls are always more likely to rattle.
Just so. I got one of these Eurotour 4 1/8" Diamonds... And these pockets will take a little bit of rail rubbing, with a smooth stroke. A lot of American players don't appreciate how just a little bit of work on one's stroke can make the game a lot easier than they make it look. These aren't slow Gold Crowns where you have to power the ball around the table. Diamonds reward precise attention to proper angles, and also reward the ability to execute accurate ball striking at a distance.Same thing I say to the diamond haters.. you don’t like it not going in? Hit it better . They aren’t all supposed to go in when you hit like shit
On a side note... We are getting more Diamonds here in Germany, finally. One club replaced all their Gold Crowns with Diamonds. I am seriously considering switching clubs next year, so that I can play half of my league matches on Diamonds.
SlateMan
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The Pockets are tight
and the shelf is deep
sounds like the beginning of a sea shanty.....
The pockets were tight and the shelf was deep
and the balls just rattled and the men would weep.
The moss.
[In the late 90's, I read something from online that espoused the idea that "the moss" was responsible for everything going wrong in pool. I vaguely recall one example, which went something like, "Should you find yourself with a simple, straight-in shot, then the moss had no other option than to throw itself between the cue ball and the object ball, thus causing the shot to be missed."]
I think pocket facing angles can be a big factor.
I play my league on 9' Diamond red labels. The pockets are pretty generous width wise but they play super tough, balls rattle like crazy on these tables. The pocket facing angle even looks a little weird on them, though I haven't figured out what it is exactly.
I also play on some 7' Diamond blue labels with noticeably tighter pockets, at least 1/4" tighter if not more I'd say. But in comparison they are so much more accepting it's crazy, shots I think I surely missed on this table drop.
Could be some difference in shelf depth too I'm sure, not sure how to measure that.
I play my league on 9' Diamond red labels. The pockets are pretty generous width wise but they play super tough, balls rattle like crazy on these tables. The pocket facing angle even looks a little weird on them, though I haven't figured out what it is exactly.
I also play on some 7' Diamond blue labels with noticeably tighter pockets, at least 1/4" tighter if not more I'd say. But in comparison they are so much more accepting it's crazy, shots I think I surely missed on this table drop.
Could be some difference in shelf depth too I'm sure, not sure how to measure that.
Shelf depth: draw a line across the pocket points, from the center of that line measure back to where slate drops off. that number is the shelf depth. the deeper the SD the more balls hang up and if combined with funky pocket angles makes it even worse.
Too much power and a tad too much juice.
Big hole!!
We got gremlins hiding in the pockets at my local hall. You gotta feed em Skittles otherwise balls hang.
Makes sense, I think some gremlins eat moss.
Badpenguin
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"Your stroke" is a nonsense answer. There is no magic stroke to make balls go in pockets one way or another.
Maybe your stroke speed, you are hitting the ball too hard. There is a reason it is called "pocket speed". Or you just missed. So it is ball speed or aim. Stroke can affect aim, sure, but it isn't the "stroke". The contact time of the tip on the ball is the same no matter what you are doing with your "stroke".
Maybe your stroke speed, you are hitting the ball too hard. There is a reason it is called "pocket speed". Or you just missed. So it is ball speed or aim. Stroke can affect aim, sure, but it isn't the "stroke". The contact time of the tip on the ball is the same no matter what you are doing with your "stroke".
I'm no player. I just like the challenge of precision.
yup...
sudocrushms
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Has anyone picked on Diamond yet? 
A lot of things can cause that from the pocket itself (shelf depth, facings, excessive shims, inserts, etc) to the way you play the shot (pace, imparted spin, angle to the pocket). My experience watching and playing: usually if it rattles or hangs it was the wrong speed. Assuming the table isn't set up really weird/poorly.
A lot of things can cause that from the pocket itself (shelf depth, facings, excessive shims, inserts, etc) to the way you play the shot (pace, imparted spin, angle to the pocket). My experience watching and playing: usually if it rattles or hangs it was the wrong speed. Assuming the table isn't set up really weird/poorly.