What cost the cue hit with the Ping Sound

hypnauticz

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I have a cue was hitting with a ping sound, after the ferrule cracked, have the ferrule replace after it replaced It doesn't have the ping sound no more,

can the ferrule make the ping sound or the tip ?
nor both ? or what can I do to get the sound back ?
please help I love this cue and I want to get the ping sound back..
 
I have a cue was hitting with a ping sound, after the ferrule cracked, have the ferrule replace after it replaced It doesn't have the ping sound no more,

can the ferrule make the ping sound or the tip ?
nor both ? or what can I do to get the sound back ?
please help I love this cue and I want to get the ping sound back..

I'd contact whoever made it...
 
I have a cue was hitting with a ping sound, after the ferrule cracked, have the ferrule replace after it replaced It doesn't have the ping sound no more,

can the ferrule make the ping sound or the tip ?
nor both ? or what can I do to get the sound back ?
please help I love this cue and I want to get the ping sound back..

Did the repairman replace it with a melamine ferrule and threaded it 3/8 10 like the original one ?
 
Before you said it was from sugartree, i was going to suggest that it might have been an air bubble between the ferrule and the tip. Eric is on here occasionally, maybe he can chime in...

questions that will help solve your mystery would be:
1. What kind of tip did you have on before/after the repair?
2. What material was the ferrule before/after the repair?
3. Was the ferrule capped/uncapped before/after the repair?

These are all variables that will affect how the cue sounds/plays.
 
It's a mystery to me...

I have an East Indian Rosewood cue I use as a mule for testing all sorts of things. It's just a tapered rosewood log with finish. No rings, no buttcap...just wood and a Radial joint screw and whatever weight I happen to be using right then. Even with a shaft with no rings, no ferrule (I don't use 'em), no nothing, just a tip, ANY tip, or any shaft for that matter, it pings with the best of them. Even with a Predator shaft. And there's no air bubble under the tip :).

Naturally mileage may vary, but cues I make out of E.I. Rosewood pretty much all ping.

I just took in one of my early steel joint rosewood cues for a free refinish (my finish wasn't too good back then) and it pings like, well, like a pingy cue should.

I'd love to hear theories concerning what this is all about.

Robin Snyder
 
Sorry if I missed an email. My email has become a gigantic trap net for spam, so unless I recognize your email addy I could easily miss it. Again, very sorry about that.

As for the shaft not pinging, it is likely the material and install technique that your repair guy used. Mine are high grade melamine threaded onto a 3/8-10 tenon, with no cap. I crank them on pretty tight with robo-grip pliers, so chance of air gaps is pretty nil. The tip glues directly to the wood. I also prefer hard tips, which accentuate the "ping" sound. The end result is a thin ferrule that pretty much adds nothing to the hit aside from deflection, but provides protection for the wood under it, as well as the aesthetics of a white ferrule.

I have noticed that different materials cause more or less deflection, but it's a minute difference that takes me going through several racks to gauge. Some more noticeable than others. Melamine has always seemed to be what I have been most comfortable with. The shaft wood itself is generally what determines the hit and sound. Of course if your new ferrule is capped or the guy changed it to the common 5/16-18 install technique, then yes the ferrule can most certainly change the hit & sound of the cue.

Some things to try are cutting the thickness of your tip down a bit. I personally prefer the side wall to be about the thickness of a nickel. Or possibly even change to a firmer tip, still cutting it down in thickness a bit. Having a big leather nipple on the end of your cue does nothing positive for your game. The idea is to have enough leather to hold chalk and add a buffer between the wood and the q-ball. Like anything else there is a window of optimism somewhere between too much tip & not enough tip. Not enough tip generally is when it's getting close to the ferrule, which results in a crack. Too much tip causes funny things like unpredictable spin, muffled sound, or in the case of hard tips an unnatural feel. You want comfort with a slight audible ping something like when you drive a golf ball. My best playing cues seem to ring on center ball hits, which become more of a tick on extreme spin.

Again, sorry if I missed your email. Hopefully this post helps point you in the right direction. If you can't get what you want then email me again & I'll do what I can. I will go in and see if I can find your other message so I can mark the addy as one I will recognize.
 
Before you said it was from sugartree, i was going to suggest that it might have been an air bubble between the ferrule and the tip. Eric is on here occasionally, maybe he can chime in...

questions that will help solve your mystery would be:
1. What kind of tip did you have on before/after the repair?
2. What material was the ferrule before/after the repair?
3. Was the ferrule capped/uncapped before/after the repair?

These are all variables that will affect how the cue sounds/plays.



1 he told me it was a compressed tip. No idea what kind. Put on kamuii black.

2. One guy told me is a phonelic ferrule and ended up putting a ivory because he said it will play hard with the ping sound

3. I cannot give you that answer because I don't know it.


At this point is there's anything I can do ?
 
Hey Eric , I sent you an email , get back to me.thanks
I really need help with getting my ping sound and my fav hit on this cue thanks
 
Sorry if I missed an email. My email has become a gigantic trap net for spam, so unless I recognize your email addy I could easily miss it. Again, very sorry about that.

As for the shaft not pinging, it is likely the material and install technique that your repair guy used. Mine are high grade melamine threaded onto a 3/8-10 tenon, with no cap. I crank them on pretty tight with robo-grip pliers, so chance of air gaps is pretty nil. The tip glues directly to the wood. I also prefer hard tips, which accentuate the "ping" sound. The end result is a thin ferrule that pretty much adds nothing to the hit aside from deflection, but provides protection for the wood under it, as well as the aesthetics of a white ferrule.

I have noticed that different materials cause more or less deflection, but it's a minute difference that takes me going through several racks to gauge. Some more noticeable than others. Melamine has always seemed to be what I have been most comfortable with. The shaft wood itself is generally what determines the hit and sound. Of course if your new ferrule is capped or the guy changed it to the common 5/16-18 install technique, then yes the ferrule can most certainly change the hit & sound of the cue.

Some things to try are cutting the thickness of your tip down a bit. I personally prefer the side wall to be about the thickness of a nickel. Or possibly even change to a firmer tip, still cutting it down in thickness a bit. Having a big leather nipple on the end of your cue does nothing positive for your game. The idea is to have enough leather to hold chalk and add a buffer between the wood and the q-ball. Like anything else there is a window of optimism somewhere between too much tip & not enough tip. Not enough tip generally is when it's getting close to the ferrule, which results in a crack. Too much tip causes funny things like unpredictable spin, muffled sound, or in the case of hard tips an unnatural feel. You want comfort with a slight audible ping something like when you drive a golf ball. My best playing cues seem to ring on center ball hits, which become more of a tick on extreme spin.

Again, sorry if I missed your email. Hopefully this post helps point you in the right direction. If you can't get what you want then email me again & I'll do what I can. I will go in and see if I can find your other message so I can mark the addy as one I will recognize.

what a great post.
 
There are many opinions of how the ping sound is caused.. Some say it is from ivory ferrules, harder tips or joints. However, I have done a lot of experimenting and found that, you will always get the ping sound If you contact center ball with a good stroke. The only difference is the volume of the ping. Therefore, I do not believe it is the cue.

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Hi,

The ferrule is a big contributor to the sound you are looking for. Your tip can be replicated by buying the same one.

JoeyinCali has some Ivorex Ferrules that produce the sound you are looking for I believe. They are the hardest around. My friend Todd uses them for the sound a feel you seek and swears by them.

JMO,

Rick
 
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