Yes, I have a question, Randy. Is the BCA still the owner of the PBIA? Are they a partner? Have they completely removed themselves? My latest certificate in January came from the BCA office.
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Yes, I have a question, Randy. Is the BCA still the owner of the PBIA? Are they a partner? Have they completely removed themselves? My latest certificate in January came from the BCA office.
The Instructors "own" the PBIA.
The BCA along with Simonis, Aramith and Predator are our sponsors and supporters of pool players worldwide.
Our paperwork is kept by the BCA office staff, namely Rob & Shane.
Always great to hear from a Master Instructor, thanks Fran.
randyg
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Mr. Goettlicher,
Can one be a BCA instructor & not be an associate of the PBIA?
You included the BCA with the other commercial sponsers. That would seem to indicate monetary concerns.
Is the BCA subsidising the PBIA. In effect, farming out the instructor certification program or is the BCA using the PBIA as an extension of it's own program. If so, is it an exclusive 'franchise' or is there another(s) or can there be others.
Please excuse any possible incorrect wording in my questions. However, I would guess that any interested individuals would like a complete explanation of the connection or not to the BCA.
Thanks in advance,
Can one be a BCA instructor & not be an associate of the PBIA?
You included the BCA with the other commercial sponsers. That would seem to indicate monetary concerns.
Is the BCA subsidising the PBIA. In effect, farming out the instructor certification program or is the BCA using the PBIA as an extension of it's own program. If so, is it an exclusive 'franchise' or is there another(s) or can there be others.
Please excuse any possible incorrect wording in my questions. However, I would guess that any interested individuals would like a complete explanation of the connection or not to the BCA.
Thanks in advance,
I think I see where ENGLISH is confused. The only reason I know this is from the answer you just gave me. You said "You are welcome to join us" Who would I be joining? The PBIA? or do I need to get a BCA certification before I can become a member of the PBIA? See what I mean Randy?
Actually this is somehow getting more complicated than it really is. I think the answer to this question will also answer ENGLISH's question too. If I am not a BCA instructor I can't be a member of the PBIA, right?
Appreciate your response, Randy but I'm more confused than ever now. Did the BCA sell it's instructor program?
It would be 'interesting' to get some real answers as to the exact relationship between the PBIA & the BCA.
Your seemingly coy reluctance to give fully informative answers becomes a cause of suspicion.
Why would I want to join an 'organization', that you said I would be welcome to join, if I have no full understanding of said organizaton.
Especially, since the BCA was & may one day again be the governing body of the game in the U.S.
Sincerely &
I cannot answer who "owns" the PBIA. But I will provide some information that may assist with any confusion:
I was under the impression that BCA retained the program but created a subsidiary to self govern, as often times in business - it becomes difficult to manage all interests. This is why many companies have multiple brands etc. As a comparison PBIA was what I considered a "brand" of th BCA. When I called the number on the PBIA webiste, the answerer of the phone said BCA, not PBIA.
If the BCA website is visited, and the learn pool link is clicked it redirects to the PBIA webpage. As a result with the phone call, the web link, and the understanding of business structure - it is a pretty reasonable deduction that the PBIA is a department within the BCA that was created to allow more efficient management.
I was under the impression that BCA retained the program but created a subsidiary to self govern, as often times in business - it becomes difficult to manage all interests. This is why many companies have multiple brands etc. As a comparison PBIA was what I considered a "brand" of th BCA. When I called the number on the PBIA webiste, the answerer of the phone said BCA, not PBIA.
If the BCA website is visited, and the learn pool link is clicked it redirects to the PBIA webpage. As a result with the phone call, the web link, and the understanding of business structure - it is a pretty reasonable deduction that the PBIA is a department within the BCA that was created to allow more efficient management.
OH man, looks like I missed something else. I thought the BCA was the governing body for pool in the U.S.A. Man you would think I knew more than I do. So who is the governing body now?
No problem.
One more time (for sure not my last)....:wink:
The BCA does not certify Instructors. So therefore one would have to join the PBIA organization to join our instructional group.
Yes, we receive money from all of our sponsors.
I think that the PBIA is very exclusive but open to all applicants.
The real connection to the BCA is this:
The BCA is one of our sponsors. This means there are finances involved.
The BCA is part of our bookkeeping.
The BCA archieves our history.
All active BCA Instructors where rolled into the new PBIA program. Not all stayed.
I am the Chairperson for one more year. Therefore the buck stops here.
Along with several other PBIA Instructors that are on our committee and all of our active members, we run our own program!!!!!!
I like this. We have come a long way since 1992. The program gets better every year. Makes me very proud to be a member.
Thanks
randyg
No. Just turned it over to the active instructors. We renamed the program and run it entirely.
randyg
Ok, cool beans. That answers one of my questions, thanks Randy. The only question I have left is actually for ENGLISH. You said that the BCA was and could be again the governing body. I really thought that they were and thats why they do the ranking points etc. Can you please clarify for me please?
So the people in charge and making the money...set the standards...and based on what i see set the requirements that everyone teach in a manner that the PBIA deems acceptable regardless of how they normally teach or have been teaching for years....and those PBIA standards are set ...bu the people running the group..
Well I can honestly say I have never looked for a "stamp" but on success teaching others...
Best of luck with the new organization.
R
Now those are your words not mine.
Nobody on our PBIA Committee makes money for being on the committee. We also pay all of our own expenses.
The PBIA does not tell you (requirements) how to teach. It's not our way or the highway. As in all organizations, there are guidelines issued. Most of these guidelines are to protect our clients.
Not everyone is cut out to be part of a organization. You must follow your own heart, please have the proper info when making such a trip.
Thanks for the good luck
randyg
You said in an earlier post there were 210 members. What are the other 186 if not Master or Advanced? Not giving you a hard time, just confused.
What were the requirements to be a BCA certified instructor?
I know my coach asked me to fill out evaluation forms.
Where does the 100 dollar fee go then? Where do the dues go?
I am not a billiard coach...nor do I have the desire to be one..but why if i was would a requirement be to take your (the PBIA) three day course on how to teach, and then take a test made by the PBIA that I assume if i failed would keep me from being certified ...if not to teach what the PBIA believes is necessary to be a certified coach...
notice I am not even going into the whole different levels that are sset up....well do i take a lesson from the advanced coach or the master coach...well the master must know more...or the pyramid feel that each instructor must advance x number of instructors as part of the yearly requirements
R
Go to the web site
Go to the web site, all of those qualification questions are answered there. there is a banner at the top of az forum for PBIA.
Recognized or Certified.
There are 4 levels that one may obtain.
Recognized
Certified
Advanced
Master
randyg
Now why are you being silly with me????
There is no such thing as a BCA Certified Instructor!!!!!!!!
The $100 and annual dues all go into our fund to help us run the PBIA.
You know all those answers quite well.
randyg
Hats off to Randy
Hats off to Randy for dealing with this type of bull shit!
No matter what you say or do there will be people who wont be satisfied or are incapable of understanding the program. Its situations like this that cause people to stay away from AZ forum. Thanks for sticking around Randy
Hats off to Randy for dealing with this type of bull shit!
No matter what you say or do there will be people who wont be satisfied or are incapable of understanding the program. Its situations like this that cause people to stay away from AZ forum. Thanks for sticking around Randy