Jump/Break or Break/Jump? I've heard it both ways. What do you call it and why?
What do YOU call it, and why?
- Thread starter JesPiddlin
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I call them a gimmick. They should never have been allowed into the game. You should be allowed 2 cues - player and breaker. No phenolic tips, either. The tip should have to be able to compress to be legal.JesPiddlin said:
I've seen more damaged cueballs in the last 2 years then I saw in the 10 years before that.
JB is what I use, just imagine the other way around, " honey I just got a great deal on this awesome BJ"
John Barton
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I believe that I can take credit for the term jump/break cue. When I introduced the Bunjee Jump Break cue everyone else was calling theirs Break/Jumps and I wanted to be different so I reversed it because the Bunjee JB evolved out out of the Bunjee Jumper rather than being a cut up breaker.
Now I know a lot of folks will protest and say that the term was in use well before I brought out the Bunjee JB but I didn't see them advertised as such and I deliberately used the reverse.
I don't think it matters. Either way works exactly the same and has the same meaning.
For the guy who claims he sees damaged cue balls - I have a proposition bet for you - we can get 20 cue balls from different manufacturers and let people break and jump with them a set amount of shots and if there is any signifigant damage to any of them then you win. Sorry Shawn but I have at least a couple hundrd thousand jump shots under my belt with NO dmage to the cue ball. Add to that the tens of thousands of break shots performed on the various balls I used in the exhibitions and I call BS on your observation and conclusions.
Now I know a lot of folks will protest and say that the term was in use well before I brought out the Bunjee JB but I didn't see them advertised as such and I deliberately used the reverse.
I don't think it matters. Either way works exactly the same and has the same meaning.
For the guy who claims he sees damaged cue balls - I have a proposition bet for you - we can get 20 cue balls from different manufacturers and let people break and jump with them a set amount of shots and if there is any signifigant damage to any of them then you win. Sorry Shawn but I have at least a couple hundrd thousand jump shots under my belt with NO dmage to the cue ball. Add to that the tens of thousands of break shots performed on the various balls I used in the exhibitions and I call BS on your observation and conclusions.
You implied that the damage is coming from the cue tips. It's from the cueball bouncing on the floor after the guy bounced the cueball off the floor and into metal bases of tables and other crap. If whitey doesn't jump, it doesn't leave the table.
So, I'll take your bet. $10,000 dollars. I have a table in my basement that is on a concrete floor. I will jump the cueball off the table 30 times. We'll measure the cueballs to see if they have any damage.
Are you in?
So, I'll take your bet. $10,000 dollars. I have a table in my basement that is on a concrete floor. I will jump the cueball off the table 30 times. We'll measure the cueballs to see if they have any damage.
Are you in?
Can I also ask what you mean by "significant damage"? Any damage, however slight, could result in chalk being trapped on the surface of the cueball, or who only knows what else.John Barton said:
I see guys trying to jump balls all the time, and 50% of the time, the cueball ends up on the floor.
I call it a Break/Jump cue because B comes before J and BJs are great.JesPiddlin said:
My aren't you the fiesty little poster. Everythread I've seen you post in you're argumentative and insulting.Shawn Armstrong said:
I'm guessing you'll go the way of the shorty and fast larry before too long. Enjoy your time here on AZ.
I agree with a most everyone that jump/break does roll off the tongue, better. I first heard it called jump/break for a long time, but someone around here started calling it break/jump and I guess it stuck, but I haven't liked it. I ran a search the other day, to see what was more popular. I gave up and decided to ask on the forum.
If anyone has other ideas about why it's called one thing or the other, please post 'em. This has been an interesting thread.
If anyone has other ideas about why it's called one thing or the other, please post 'em. This has been an interesting thread.
John Barton
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Sounds like you need to learn to control your cueball then. In my experience Shawn more cueballs go off the table when people try to jump without the proper skill and without the proper experience. And before the advent of jump cues and jump break cues there was still plenty of cueballs on the floor due to uncontrolled break shots, bad racks, funky rails, shooting too hard and so on.
Do you also blame the hammer when you miss the nail and put a hole in the panel?
I still call BS on your assertion that we have a pandemic of "damaged" cue balls as a result of break/jump cues being in use. I will come to your house with ten players of differing skill levels and let them play pool for ten hours straight and THEN we will check the cueball - if it is unfit for play after that time then you win the money -
Then we can also go to 20 pool rooms and bars and drop a cueball on their floor 30 times to see what damaged is caused. I bet it's little to none. Sounds to me like you need to practice and get carpet.
You missed the entire point. How many BJ cues have you sold in the past 7 years? That means there are X number of players jumping the ball that didn't used to. And as far as technique, I've watched several pros at the Worlds the past 2 years lose the ball off the table onto the nice metal floor. Maybe you should work with them on their technique. I don't jump, I kick. If the safety is that good, my opponent deserves the ball in hand he or she has earned.John Barton said:
John, I also love how your first comment said "hundreds of thousands of jumps with NO damage". Then you changed to "significant damage". Now it's "unfit for play". Tell you what, will the next proposal be "if it's not round anymore, you win the bet"?John Barton said:
John Barton
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Well let's see if I can clarify it for you:
1. "No damage" - means no damage that impairs play - no visible harm to the cueball.
2. "Significant damage" - means damage that is visible and impairs play.
3. "Unfit for Play" - this one is kind of self explanatory, however to be perfectly clear it means that to win the bet the cueball has to be damaged to the point that most reasonable players would not use it to play pool with unless it were the only available option.
For your information Shawn Cueballs are not round, they are spheroids that are almost round. Better balls are nearly round within a few thousands of an inch. The point of this whole thing is that you made a claim that the poor cueballs are suffering from all this "damage" because of the use of jump cues (admitted later by you). You said this to support your personal dislike of them.
Well sir, there is no widespread damage to cueballs happening because of jump cues, at least not any that is "significant" or any that is impairing play on a noticeable level. All you have to do is say that you don't like them. Don't invent a reason that you cannot support.
You are more than welcome to come to any show I am at (which won't be for a while) and try to prove your point. I take on all comers at shows and have yet to be beaten on any negative point brought up against jump cues on this board. My considerable personal experience debunks just about every argument the anti-jump cue crowd has ever put forth about why they should not be allowed.