what do you do here?

You can try doing this, with a ton of draw and inside english, but by the time it gets to the rack there wont be alot of power left in the cueball. because you cant hit this shot hard to begin with to get those crazy angles. plus with the inside juice, it get very unpredictable....
 
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and odds are that you probably not have any shots to choose from afterwards, since you are gonna strike the back of the rack pushing all the balls forward and probably stay behind the rack

given the chance, i probably wouldnt play it though if it were in a game situation.....

BTW there is a full rack button on cue table instead of trying to create your own loose rack.....LOL
 
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The only legitimate way to break the rack is to bank the 1 in the lower right corner. If you know the table well, and it's not tight equipment, this isn't completely outrageous.

Depending on the exact angle and cloth conditions, you might be able to blast it with top, and have the cueball bend quite a bit off the 2nd rail back into the rack. This is not a legitimate shot because it's highly doubtful you'd hit the rack, and then if you did, you'd have about a 0% chance to get a 2nd shot. The cueball would be going about 1 mph and completely flat into probably the middle of the side of the pack. ;)

More importantly, I'd point out that balls in the area you've diagrammed are virtually unusable as break shots, from almost every angle. (There is one legitimate angle you can get on them but you have to be almost perfect, and you'd be bridging mostly over the rack.) I point this out not to be a stickler, and not aimed at you in particular, but just to say that we should all take care to remove these balls very early as break shot contenders. They're candidates to be bumped, but once you run out of options for that, they should be removed. You could shoot almost any other ball on the table with better chances of breaking the rack. These balls just lay so bad.

- Steve
 
I Like Mr Lipsky's answer much better.....Like i said i probably wouldnt consider playing my shot in a game situation!

I would only really try it if i were just practicing and was on a run, and was trying to keep a run alive.

he is correct this ball should of been taken out of the picture much earlier in the rack, and there was probably much better balls to use earlier in the rack and were pocketted prematurely !!!

Steve
 
It sure looks to me like you could shoot this shot with a touch below center ball with a lot of inside english and go one rail directly into the balls without much problem. :shrug:
 
3andstop said:
It sure looks to me like you could shoot this shot with a touch below center ball with a lot of inside english and go one rail directly into the balls without much problem. :shrug:
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3,

This is one of the inherent challenges of the WEI table. Minute differences in ball placement can really change the shot on an actual table. This is why the original poster made sure to say the 1-rail was not possible. Given this as a constraint, what then are the options?

As a side note, I'd mention that with the object ball this far out from the corner pocket (meaning, towards the right as seen on the screen), there are remarkably few opportunities to make a solid one-rail break shot out of it. Only if the cueball is positioned perfectly (i.e., not off in either direction by so much as an inch) could you go the one rail and hit the rack with anything approaching a solid enough hit to move some balls. Even then, you'd be hard pressed to find a worse way to go into the rack. Anytime you need a fairly full hit on the object ball, then have to travel a foot or more to a rail, and then back out (into the bottom of the stack, no less), you're really grasping at straws.

- Steve
 
Yeah but, what would probably happen is you would stick to the back of the rack with no shot with all the balls pushing forward !

Playing safe is probably the beat bet in a game situation !

Steve
 
two rails

Njhustler1 said:
when left with the following shot, do you play the 3 rail safety, and leave the opponent on the back rail, or is there some fancy way i dont know about to go two rails and hit the pack?


If you really want to go two rails and hit the stack,two rail the 1-ball up and down the table into the far side of the rack.Hit it well and the 1-ball
goes in the bottom right corner. Or maybe not!:grin-square:
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Going a little further, there are several safety options, both with pocketing the ball first or playing the safety off the break ball. Which one do you like best?
 
Regarding Safties.

Pocket the ball scoring the 1 point, go to rails to the other side of the rack. depending on where you stop, just shoot the cue ball into the rack , freezing up against it loosening up a few balls. just be sure to hit it hard enough to get one of the balls to kick out and touch a rail.

Steve
 
Njhustler1 said:
when left with the following shot, do you play the 3 rail safety, and leave the opponent on the back rail, or is there some fancy way i dont know about to go two rails and hit the pack?

Assume the angle is steep enough that you canNOT cut the ball in the left corner, and go one rail into the pack. ...
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I'm not sure how I would shoot the shot, but I know how Lassiter played the shot. When I saw it, I said to myself, "That's not a possible angle." He played the (non-bank) shot with draw and maybe a little left for the second rail and hit the side of rack, and continued his run. This was in an exhibition Terry Stonier arranged at Sacramento State in the 1970s. It would have been on new cloth.

I think you have to have just the right mixture of draw and left depending on the angles.

The position is rare because you need the combination of having shot off all your break balls and gotten too much angle on the break ball to go one cushion.
 
Thanks Bob. It sounds like that would be highly dependent on having exactly the right angle for such a shot, but I'm going to play around with it tonight. Hope it works - you'll have added a new shot to my game! ;)

- Steve
 
Steve Lipsky said:
Thanks Bob. It sounds like that would be highly dependent on having exactly the right angle for such a shot, but I'm going to play around with it tonight. Hope it works - you'll have added a new shot to my game! ;)

- Steve
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Sadly, it's only useful if you have screwed up in three or four different ways simultaneously. It's like a lot of shots at the edge -- if you have them, they can continue a run when you get yourself into big trouble. Lassiter seemed to be in trouble all the time -- he was full of surprises.
 
All an All this is a great thread, alot of mixed theories on how to play this shot.
This is what discussion boards were set up for !

Much rep to all that contributed !

Steve
 
Just tried it. It definitely works from the right angle. I wasn't using njhustler's WEI, so I'm not sure it's applicable to his exact shot. I just set it up from memory.

Only tried it once and I didn't get a second shot, but I could immediately see that it's workable. I look forward to trying it some more.

Thanks to Bob Jewett and the original poster for making me think twice about a shot I had previously dismissed as unplayable.

- Steve
 
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