What do you guys think?

The answer to that is really simple.

macguy said:
What are you doing playing with them? Your beating them 4 to 0, you obviously play a lot better then they do, leave the tournament alone and let them have their fun. Just go there to practice or match up and be sociable and stop beating on weak players, what do you get out of that? There are tournaments all over town I don't play in, it would seem silly even if they ley me play, they are just fun players having a night out, I don't want to spoil it for them. Just my opinion
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I live 45 minutes from San Diego and 40 minutes from Riverside, I do go to the Monday tournaments in SD and I will probably start going to the thursday tournies in Riverside. But the real answer is that I have to beat up on the players I'm better than and I'll explain why.

I'm trying to go pro. I'd like to try and make it on the IPT for next year. I was ready to go pro about 12 years ago until I had a mental break down over a relationship gone sour. I had a mental handicap that I would play at whatever level of the person I was playing. At first it only affected my money games and then bled into my tournament play so I had to give up on going pro. I took about seven years off, and now over the last 3-5 years I've been working past that mental handicap to finally be able to start playing my game against anyone. I NEED to play in tournaments like this and I need to utterly annihilate anyone I play against. Read "The inner Game of Tennis" if you still don't understand why. It's actually better for the lesser player to play me.

Think about it. How many REALLY good players do you know that will just play you for fun? Or in a weekly tournament that first MIGHT pay 80 for? Sure maybe they don't take the game seriously and aren't really interested in getting better, but you know what.... tough because I am. A big part of my mental handicap was feeling sorry for lesser players and letting up, subconsciously and consciously. I'm finally getting past it and I'm not about to start down that road again.


Plus, down in SD when Morro shows up and wins whenever he is there, you don't see them tell him to not bother coming back for a couple of weeks?
 
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Jaden said:
I live 45 minutes from San Diego and 40 minutes from Riverside, I do go to the Monday tournaments in SD and I will probably start going to the thursday tournies in Riverside. But the real answer is that I have to beat up on the players I'm better than and I'll explain why.

I'm trying to go pro. I'd like to try and make it on the IPT for next year. I was ready to go pro about 12 years ago until I had a mental break down over a relationship gone sour. I had a mental handicap that I would play at whatever level of the person I was playing. At first it only affected my money games and then bled into my tournament play so I had to give up on going pro. I took about seven years off, and now over the last 3-5 years I've been working past that mental handicap to finally be able to start playing my game against anyone. I NEED to play in tournaments like this and I need to utterly annihilate anyone I play against. Read "The inner Game of Tennis" if you still don't understand why. It's actually better for the lesser player to play me.

Think about it. How many REALLY good players do you know that will just play you for fun? Or in a weekly tournament that first MIGHT pay 80 for? Sure maybe they don't take the game seriously and aren't really interested in getting better, but you know what.... tough because I am. A big part of my mental handicap was feeling sorry for lesser players and letting up, subconsciously and consciously. I'm finally getting past it and I'm not about to start down that road again.
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Big fish in a small pond syndrome. All you have to do is match up, give big spots, play fair games and you will have no shortage of players to play. Stop trying to show off in front of a bunch of non players who could care less, you will just come off looking like a jerk. And defiantly don't show up with a bunch of rules and start complaining about everything. Sounds like the tournament was doing fine long before you showed up. Better yet, don't play.
 
I think the whole thing turns my stomach!

I would find out just who the "Miller beer add money to the pot guy is." I would tell the story of a tourney run in Skidflats, Fla. And how these co-tourney directors made a mockery out of thier tournament by the antics they pulled on a guy named Jaden Superstroke.

Then ask him what he thinks. Ask him what he would do to correct the problem if it were him and he had the power.

Think it out then as diplomatically as you can lower the boom.
 
Cane said:
Shooter, surely you were kidding when you asked if I was kidding!!! Of course, I was kidding about a Federal Law. Hell, it would take congress decades to decide on the Congressional Rules of 8-Ball, then they'd be so overly complicated that nobody would understand how to play the game!!!

Now, I was NOT kidding about pool rooms and bars posting the rules, esp if there are local exceptions to BCA, APA, VNEA rules, or whatever... I had the BCA rules posted in my pool room when I had it, and kept copies of the BCA book in the club... no arguments, no misunderstandings... but a Federal Law. No, I was DEFINITELY kidding about that. Didn't think I had to tag an emoticon on something like that, but maybe should have, so here ya go... :D :D :D :D :D :D Hope nobody else thought I was serious!

Bob... only serious about playing Playing Pool, Sex and 12 year old Bourbon!

PS: JADEN, you might consider getting a copy of either BCA or APA rules and offering them to the owner or whoever acts as the TD. If they read "real" rules and understand them, there's a snowballs chance in hell they might like them.
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Ahhh, fair enough!!!! :D




(it just surprises me how many people want the government in every element of our lives, glad to know you aren't one of them) :)
 
So you move to a new city with limited pool and then go to the pool room and tell them the rules and how to handicap people. It also sounded like you ran aorund the room a little asking different people or even the same people alot of questions.
I think it would have sserved you better to come in and not play one night but watch and meet a few people. In addition you come out and only lose a few games the first event. Your obviously alot better so why not let
the rules issues go for a week or two and they will sort themselves out.

I understand you dont hustle so I am not saying to lay down for the purpose of playing later for money but rather to establish yourself
as a regular and a townie.

Please do not take them a rule book. Its THEIR bar and they can play by whatever rules they want. Just go with the flow. I would attend the events but just watch and have a beer or cola while being social.

It maybe a tournament that you are too good to be in and that is fine as well but its tough to get a fair first impression going in to thier house and telling them how to run it.
 
macguy said:
What are you doing playing with them? Your beating them 4 to 0, you obviously play a lot better then they do, leave the tournament alone and let them have their fun. Just go there to practice or match up and be sociable and stop beating on weak players, what do you get out of that? There are tournaments all over town I don't play in, it would seem silly even if they let me play, they are just fun players having a night out, I don't want to spoil it for them. Just my opinion
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macguy said:
Big fish in a small pond syndrome. All you have to do is match up, give big spots, play fair games and you will have no shortage of players to play. Stop trying to show off in front of a bunch of non players who could care less, you will just come off looking like a jerk. And defiantly don't show up with a bunch of rules and start complaining about everything. Sounds like the tournament was doing fine long before you showed up. Better yet, don't play.
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You never cease to amaze me.
 
you know what MACGUY ....

macguy said:
Big fish in a small pond syndrome. All you have to do is match up, give big spots, play fair games and you will have no shortage of players to play. Stop trying to show off in front of a bunch of non players who could care less, you will just come off looking like a jerk. And defiantly don't show up with a bunch of rules and start complaining about everything. Sounds like the tournament was doing fine long before you showed up. Better yet, don't play.
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I've never much liked your personality in the first place and this post is a perfect illustration as to why. I NEVER brought any rules to them, and I wasn't trying to show off to anyone. They told me the rules and then changed them every five minutes. I asked legitimate questions, which I was given ridicuous answers to and when I went with those answers, everyone had to complain. Did you even read my original post? I ASKED THEM what the rules were and they told me and then when I tried to insititute those rules they came back and said that those weren't the rules. Sure, it's basically a B and below tournament, but there are some A and even one or two A+ players that go and I'm the only they've complained about. I never went in there trying to claim I wasn't that good. I've never played anyone for money and cleaned their clock. All, I've done is play a little pool play a little snooker and golf offer some advice when asked and played my game most of the time.

Of course they have the right to deny me to play in their tournaments. I wasn't debating that. I was asking if I was wrong in thinking that they really need to learn how to direct their tournaments, I wasn't asking for people to chime up who think I was being an ass for beating them. I don't care if I'm an ass for beating them.

Sure I'm the new guy, and sure, I asked clarifications about the rules, but only because every person in there had a different idea as to waht the rules were. How can any tournament, and by the way this is not a bar tournament. This is a pool hall with multiple ninefoots and a snooker table and a pro shop, How can any tournament be run like that and expect people to not complain. They weren't complaining about me they were complaining about the TD, but the owners son just blamed me instead of trying to fix the problem. He figured that I was the problem.
 
And another thing: when she wipes two balls off the table, that helps YOU run out! Hahahaha! What a bunch of dingbats!

I say play there every week... In fact, ask if you can run the tournaments. Bring a set of rules, post them, and educate those hillbillies! Hahaha!
 
BillYards said:
And another thing: when she wipes two balls off the table, that helps YOU run out! Hahahaha! What a bunch of dingbats!

I say play there every week... In fact, ask if you can run the tournaments. Bring a set of rules, post them, and educate those hillbillies! Hahaha!
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That's exactly what I sad to the owner. It was better for her to not take the balls off the table right away. I just don't get it. I've done nothing but TRY to help the lesser players. I''ve offered free explanations and instruction, (WHEN ASKED) I didn't volunteer becuase unsolicited advice always smells like $hit.
 
Timberly said:
You never cease to amaze me.
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The title of the thread was "What do you guys think", and I told him. Every pool room has one like him. What does he care about a silly bar tournament and the rules they play by, he's winning anyway and he is complaining. I've played with guys that seemed to make up the rules as we went along and ring games where they put me in the middle and I busted them anyway. As they say, When in Rome you do as the Romans do, beat them at their own game. In this case though he should not be playing anyway, they were having fun till he showed up, all he figures to do is kill the tournament. The funny part is he says he is new in town and this is how he acts right out of the box, I wonder how he acts after he gets to know you a little?
 
I think you ought to quit these nits.

Sorry, but any tournament that doesn't have a defined set of rules is not something for you at your skill level.

Barbara
 
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macguy said:
The title of the thread was "What do you guys think", and I told him. Every pool room has one like him. What does he care about a silly bar tournament and the rules they play by, he's winning anyway and he is complaining. I've played with guys that seemed to make up the rules as we went along and ring games where they put me in the middle and I busted them anyway. As they say, When in Rome you do as the Romans do, beat them at their own game. In this case though he should not be playing anyway, they were having fun till he showed up, all he figures to do is kill the tournament. The funny part is he says he is new in town and this is how he acts right out of the box, I wonder how he acts after he gets to know you a little?
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Yeah after I get to know you is when I have ritual sex with your wife and sacrifice your first born to the pool gods to improve my game. Get the F out of here.,
 
macguy said:
The title of the thread was "What do you guys think", and I told him. Every pool room has one like him. What does he care about a silly bar tournament and the rules they play by, he's winning anyway and he is complaining. I've played with guys that seemed to make up the rules as we went along and ring games where they put me in the middle and I busted them anyway. As they say, When in Rome you do as the Romans do, beat them at their own game. In this case though he should not be playing anyway, they were having fun till he showed up, all he figures to do is kill the tournament. The funny part is he says he is new in town and this is how he acts right out of the box, I wonder how he acts after he gets to know you a little?
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We've gone through this before... trying to get the other to see the others ones side. I'm not going to go through it again. The glasses in which you look at the world through are a completely different prescription than the glasses that I use.

We're both looking at this from totally different perspectives. To save time, typing, and bandwidth, I'll simply agree to disagree.
 
Thank you for the advice....

Barbara said:
I think you ought to quit these nits.

Sorry, but any tournament that doesn't have a defined set of rules is not something for you at your skill level.

Barbara
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Thank You. I'll probably just go to shooters or to Oncue from now on. Maybe occasionally Danny K's. It's a good thing that I'm getting my own table though. Cause there's no way I would've been able to afford the gas to go to SD just to practice.
 
Jaden said:
Yeah after I get to know you is when I have ritual sex with your wife and sacrifice your first born to the pool gods to improve my game. Get the F out of here.,
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-----------Class act
 
Well, I totally agree with you - what they are doing is wrong. We have pulled people kicking and screaming into this century with BIH rules. :p

Our regular little Friday night tourney was like that, but at least they didn't change the rules every 5 seconds. I would diplomatically take written APA, BCA and VNEA rules down to the room and ask which one they preferred. Act dumb like they would be doing you a favor because you would really like to know.

Ask to buy the girl (or owner) a beer next time. Sometimes that will defuse the situation.

If things get so bad, you may have to cut your losses there. But I like going into new towns and getting to know a new poolroom too, so I would at least try to make friends.

If there is a regional pool paper, you may want to write an article (the tone will be good or bad depending on how long you decide you want to play there) or do an interview with the owner and his son for the paper and go over the rules and have the paper print them (generalized, as just filling in the readers, such as BIH, races to 4, open after the break, call pocket, true dbl. elim.) That way, you will actually have something to back you up in the future when you play there.

The editors of these papers are always looking for articles. In fact, you could do one for AZB and the locals might even be impressed that their poolroom has hit the big time, lol.
 
there are small ponds and then there is a mud puddle

There are small ponds and then there is a mud puddle. The key thing here is that it is the owner and his son jacking with you. You have already wore out your welcome, time to find a new place even if it means a long drive. I drive fifteen to thirty miles one way to play pool and used to drive much further.

Hu
 
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rackmsuckr said:
Well, I totally agree with you - what they are doing is wrong. We have pulled people kicking and screaming into this century with BIH rules. :p

Our regular little Friday night tourney was like that, but at least they didn't change the rules every 5 seconds. I would diplomatically take written APA, BCA and VNEA rules down to the room and ask which one they preferred. Act dumb like they would be doing you a favor because you would really like to know.

Ask to buy the girl (or owner) a beer next time. Sometimes that will defuse the situation.

If things get so bad, you may have to cut your losses there. But I like going into new towns and getting to know a new poolroom too, so I would at least try to make friends.

If there is a regional pool paper, you may want to write an article (the tone will be good or bad depending on how long you decide you want to play there) or do an interview with the owner and his son for the paper and go over the rules and have the paper print them (generalized, as just filling in the readers, such as BIH, races to 4, open after the break, call pocket, true dbl. elim.) That way, you will actually have something to back you up in the future when you play there.

The editors of these papers are always looking for articles. In fact, you could do one for AZB and the locals might even be impressed that their poolroom has hit the big time, lol.
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Thank You, Yours and Barbara's responses were the kind of thing I was looking for.
 
Jaden said:
Yeah after I get to know you is when I have ritual sex with your wife and sacrifice your first born to the pool gods to improve my game. Get the F out of here.,
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Have at her!

You people are so critical of eachother...lighten up.

-Mike
 

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reminds me of a tournament i played in at the red baron in pensacola

guy scratches and all i got is the 8 just behind the line frozen to the rail. i ask the guy im playin what the rule is. his reply was ball in hand behind the line. well i kick at it long rail wondering if im going to scratch on this bar box, and make it

went up to tournament director to tell him i won and he asked me why didnt i just shoot it straight in,,,,,,,,,ball in hand on scratch,,,,,,,,,looked for the guy i beat and he was lookin dead at me,,,,,,,,,,had a good laugh cause i won, but learned to ask about local rules,,,,,,and local jerks
 
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