What Do You Hate To See In A Cue?
- Thread starter BillYards
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iconcue said:a debate? what are we debating? what points did you make?
you're obviously just trying to be a dick!
Alright.
First of all, I mentioned Barry's atrocious inlays in a response to Jimbo, in the context of execution in general. I don't think it's fair that someone who does such a bad job deserves a 7 year waitlist and to charge that much for his cues, but that's just my opinion, of course.
Your only involvement is the fact that you took great pictures (bravo again) of your cues, and I happened to see those glueline/gaps and crooked windows on your site. You then said something about "imaging technology" making every cue look bad, and pulled those pictures from your site!
So here are my questions again: What exactly are you saying? That those gluelines were not there? That somehow, through the magic of "imaging technology," they appeared out of nowhere in your photographs of the cue?
You've answered none of them. If you choose to dodge, that's fine, but don't expect anyone to take your one-liners seriously.
-Roger
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you've yet to even state which cue you are referring to.buddha162 said:
digital imaging technology can show mistakes that cannot be seen with the naked eye. if you cannot see a mistake with the naked eye what does it matter? i'm sure my camera could find more than you did with your loop.
but your obvious intent is to damage a cue makers reputation. and for what reason? you probably don't even have one.
if you don't like the way someone makes a cue don't buy it from them. if you have personal problems with barry give him a call. i'm sure he'll be more than happy to talk to you.
if you don't like my collection don't look at it! i don't owe you an explanation about anything.
jeff
cueaddicts said:
This is very good information. Too bad we couldn't get to the bottom of this either way since those photos are being "upgraded."
I had no idea he used a lacquer finish and that would indeed explain alot. Then again, it could just be shitty inlays! Btw, the crooked windows cannot be explained by the kind of finish he uses, and when I say crooked I mean crooked.
Thanks for the insight,
Roger
iconcue said:
This was never personal. If a cuemaker lets a cue leave his shop in that condition, he deserves to be called on it, especially someone as highly regarded as Barry S. I've readily pointed out the shoddy work Richard Black pumps out of his shop, and maybe he'll take it the wrong way and maybe someone who collects his cues will as well, but that's his fault for making them that way and the buyer's fault for buying them!
Roger
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HighEndCues said:
So what you're saying is that I need some archaic set of qualifications to point out that a certain cue sports crooked windows and blurry inlays? Have you seen the pictures on iconcue's website? I don't need to know anything about cuemaking to know that gluegaps and uneven veneers = shoddy work. I suppose I should wait until I'm "very well known in this industry" to voice my observations, because being a person who can see obviously isn't good enough.
I'm beginning to understand Jimbo's frustrations more and more. I have no agenda here, I'm not trying to sell anything, nor am I trying to bump up the value of my collection.
Are you defending the two cues in question, or are you simply saying that because of Barry Szamboti's reputation, I should keep silent? Sean gave meaningful explanations as to why those inlays might appear the way they do. Even Iconcue's comment about the possibility that it's an early cue is a valid point. But your post is just asinine.
-Roger
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buddha162 said:
i'm only reacting to what you're saying,,,,,,but glue lines and crooked windows puts any cuemaker in the ray schuler hall of fame. crooked windows is heresy, as it along with your basic ring is the simplest of all butt elements to do correctly....but ray managed to pull this off quite well
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HighEndCues said:
if buddha sees glue lines etc,,,and they are in fact what he says, he is commenting on the cosmetic faux pas of a cue, they are what they are. he is NOT commenting on cue construction. anyone with a discerning pair of eyes is eminently qualified to make judgemental statements on work that is clearly visible.
bruin70 said:
It's getting old.... He has a hair in his ass for Barry.... I can post pictures from most cuemakers with some kind of flaws...
Then we'll let Roger say everyone sucks....and we should never buy cues again from anyone...
What pictures show all this ........
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HighEndCues said:
if they charge the big bucks, they set themselves to a higher standard. it is the reputation they have built for themselves. it's not a matter "everyones done it",,,it is a matter of whether buddha deems such a cue to be worthy of the asking price.
i do think however, that buddha's throwing out blanket statements that should only be reserved for cuemakers who have perfected the art of crap,,,,,,,like schuler.
Exactly Jeff.......iconcue said:
How about spending a couple dollers on cues yourself (ROGER).... Own a Skip Weston and your an expert on values and craftmanship.... I've had Many B Szamboti's and I have no idea what the hell this guy is talking about.... What pictures is he looking at???
Thats Jeff's cues your badmouthing......
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Anyways I think what has to be mentioned is Barry is still doing all his stuff by hand. Its not fair to compare Barry to guys who use cnc and have more accuracy than his own cuemaking process allows. Gus' cues also show small amounts of hand fitting, doesn't mean they aren't worth the money.
This is one of the arguements in the cnc / hand made debate. Perfection vs flaws.... what is acceptable.
If you find flaws in CNC cues, then gripe, because now a cuemaker has the technology, if he cannot use it, thats his problem.
Joe
This is one of the arguements in the cnc / hand made debate. Perfection vs flaws.... what is acceptable.
If you find flaws in CNC cues, then gripe, because now a cuemaker has the technology, if he cannot use it, thats his problem.
Joe
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