What Do You Hate To See In A Cue?
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HighEndCues said:
No, I'm not going to say that. I'm going to say, "hey, look: there's two Barry Szamboti cues on so and so's website that displays major flaws in the inlay/window category." See the difference?
Then I might wonder, How did that particular cue(s) leave the shop of such a highly-regarded cuemaker, and scratch my head at that.
-Roger
bruin70 said:
Well, big surprise: he removed those pictures. If you were on his website last night (after my initial post), you would've seen "upgrading pics" under his B.S. page.
If you read back a few pages, that's what got me started in the first place. I mentioned the window/gluelines in a response to Jimbo after I came across it on Jeff's site a few days ago. I was very surprised to see it.
Then Jeff got defensive and tells everyone that "today's digital imaging technology" could make any cue look that bad. I assure you and everyone else reading that these flaws were not microscopic, they would be clearly, blazingly obvious at arm's length. He opted to not defend those cues but to give some half-assed excuse about his (beautiful) pictures instead.
Anyway, that's the progression here. The photos in question are now removed, so even helpful suggestions from Sean B saying how that might be the lacquer finish cannot be validated one way or another. Btw, the top veneers of the window (on another cue) was crooked, and that cannot be explained away.
-Roger
HighEndCues said:
I see, Mr. Highendcues. I should spend more than "a couple dollars" and own some real cues before speaking, right? How much should I spend on cues before I reach the threshold of expertise? Is there a list of required cues that would qualify me for such comments? Again, I guess having eyes and being able to see isn't good enough, right?
If your B Szamboti's were all flawless and perfect, good for you! Those two cues at Jeff's site were not. If I made blanket statements about Barry's work, I do apologize; things get heated easily on these forums. I'll repeat: those two cues had serious, serious flaws in them, but that doesn't mean he does "shoddy work" in general. And I'll apologize yet again for making those generalizations.
You can ask Jeff for the pictures, as he removed them from his website last night. He made a standing offer to anyone to send him their cues and he'll make sure they look just as bad once they're touched by the "magic of imaging technology."
-Roger
I'm not going to waste my breathe like others giving you a cue lesson... Yes, Barry does everything by hand, but his cues don't need any excuse...buddha162 said:
I've owned Many B. Szamboti cues and can make a determination on what kind of work he does...
You don't know him personally and know what a perfectionist he is...
Now you can Tell all of us here HOW MANY you have owned and seen in person... This way you can back your mouth up... Your saying he doesn't deserve a 7 year wait and this represents all his work. Also your repeated slander.... Lets see if you every owned one....
OR ARE YOU AN EXPERT PICTURE EXAMINER...........
You made REPEATED statements about his over all work and reputation...
Please don't come back and say you were just talking only about paticular cues.. Because you haven't
been....I've yet to see these pictures your making a fool of yourself about...
I want to know who is in your ear.. Who do you buy from?
Ken
www.highendcues.com
Roger,buddha162 said:
You owe an apoligy to B. Szamboti...NOT ME...
Reputation are earned over a long body of work...
Hopefully this will go away now....
Ken
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Actually Roger doesn't owe an apology to anybody. He was simply voicing an opinion which, as all of us know, was the original point of this thread. It asked for personal opinions. I DID see the two cues that Roger is referring to and the flaws were quite evident.
Now, perhaps those flaws were only visible through Jeff's superior photography! (and that isn't sarcasm. He really is the best cue photog out there!) But they were there.
And as far as "slandering" a cuemaker's reputation goes, I think that's blowing these comments a little out of proportion. Roger is merely stating his opinion as I have about other cuemakers a thousand times before. Its not slander to voice a dislike of someone's work. People were asked what they don't like to see and he said "shoddy inlay work like the work I saw here" (paraphrased). That's not slander. Its an answer to the question with an example to support his opinion.
And I know I'm going to take a lot of heat from Ken for this the next time I see him but, well, here goes: I don't think its fair to say that you have to spend a certain amount of money on cues in order to voice your opinion of them. I have never spent more than $25,000 on a car but that doesn't mean that I can't look at a Hummer H2 and see the obvious flaws that it exhibits.
JMO
Now, perhaps those flaws were only visible through Jeff's superior photography! (and that isn't sarcasm. He really is the best cue photog out there!) But they were there.
And as far as "slandering" a cuemaker's reputation goes, I think that's blowing these comments a little out of proportion. Roger is merely stating his opinion as I have about other cuemakers a thousand times before. Its not slander to voice a dislike of someone's work. People were asked what they don't like to see and he said "shoddy inlay work like the work I saw here" (paraphrased). That's not slander. Its an answer to the question with an example to support his opinion.
And I know I'm going to take a lot of heat from Ken for this the next time I see him but, well, here goes: I don't think its fair to say that you have to spend a certain amount of money on cues in order to voice your opinion of them. I have never spent more than $25,000 on a car but that doesn't mean that I can't look at a Hummer H2 and see the obvious flaws that it exhibits.
JMO
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well i would certainly like to thank the people that have complimented my photography!
although it tends to take the fun out of it when you do it in this manner!
roger, i'm sure skip has put a few cues out that he would just a soon have back as have all the other cue makers. why are you picking on just barry and only a couple of my pictures? you havent even specified which cues or seen them in person. but i sure do appreciate all the derogatory comments about a couple of my cues.
if you want to make a comparison b/t barry and skip get a recent cue from each of them and compare them in person.
jef
p.s. i still think you're a dick
although it tends to take the fun out of it when you do it in this manner!
roger, i'm sure skip has put a few cues out that he would just a soon have back as have all the other cue makers. why are you picking on just barry and only a couple of my pictures? you havent even specified which cues or seen them in person. but i sure do appreciate all the derogatory comments about a couple of my cues.
if you want to make a comparison b/t barry and skip get a recent cue from each of them and compare them in person.
jef
p.s. i still think you're a dick
pharaoh68 said:
before i start this i want to say that this is my opinion and am not provoking a reply nor want one. with that being said i don't believe there is a cue out there that, as some people call them, flaws can't be found. i don't know barry personally but i've seen enough of his, his fathers and most all other makers cues and we all have to remember one thing -- his and everyone else's cues are made by humans with the help of machines. no one is perfect period. barry has carved a niche for himself and in my opinion pulled away from his father in regards to accuracy of the work. you can be as much as perfectionist as possible, buy the best machines and still have what some people call "flaws" in your work. i let the man man do his craft and enjoy his notoriety. the man makes a great cue and always, in my opinion regardless of a few others, will.
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I don't like big, nasty production cuey, logos on a custom. Most don't do it but I can think of two that do.
Although I play with a wrapless cue, I can't stand to see a cue that looks unfinished because of being wrapless. Like a point or an inlay, "wraplessness" has to add to the cue. I hope we can get back on track, this is an intersting thread.
Andy
I don't like big, nasty production cuey, logos on a custom. Most don't do it but I can think of two that do.
Although I play with a wrapless cue, I can't stand to see a cue that looks unfinished because of being wrapless. Like a point or an inlay, "wraplessness" has to add to the cue. I hope we can get back on track, this is an intersting thread.
Andy
cueaddicts said:LOL is right. Of course you have to get your last word in, even when it's replying to a post directed at someone else. Maybe you don't just have a hard-on for Joe and Mark.....maybe me.Get a life.
And who the hell knows what this thread is about anymore thanks to you getting it off the subject.
I always find it Ironic when someone posts about the other person getting the last word, If I never replied to this I guess you would have gotten the last word wouldn't you agree??
As far as me taking the thread a new direction. Well, all I can say is it takes more then one person to have a debate, if you didn't feel a need to try and help your buddy Joe out in every thread I guess you wouldn't be involved in this redirection, I'm pretty sure I never mentioned your name here.
Jim
iconcue said:
I don't believe Roger is being a dick for no reason, I believe he does have an Agenda and he's no being fare. I mean it's funny that he said the same thing about Black, but nobody got mad. Maybe that's because RB has pissed off many people with his attitude, yet Barry is a nice guy so he's being defended. the fact is that cue had glue lines, for whatever reason. But that's not to say all Barry's cues have glue lines and it's obvious that his work is worthy of the respect it gets, I've seen some great cues come out of Barry's shop. Again as it's been said you can find bad examples from each and every cuemaker out there. Bruin keeps throwing out his name, we all have our own favorites and people we don't like. I find it very funny to see people who have the agendas, I love the group who think Murrell makes the best cues ever or DZ or madison Bob, or Skip, it's just funny these guys will stop at nothing to convince everyone that these guys are just as good as (fill in the blank) yet they don't get the money or respect. Belive me there is a reason why guys have 5+ year waits and it's not from bad work. Sure Roger pointed out bad work on Barry's cue, but that was one example and the majority of his work is perfect, his record speaks for itself. But let's not pile on for him giving his opinion.
Jim
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jimbo, fred said i was no longer a rookie and he knows a lot more about cues than you do!JimBo said:
and unlike you i dont crave the need to be taken seriously on a billiard post board
also unlike you i have no problem with people deleting posts. in fact one of the main reasons i do it is to irritate you! and because you are so predictable it always works
you are kind of like a broken record jim! the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
in fact i don't think any body would mind if you deleted all of your posts!
it sure dont take any "balls" to leave them up!
but of course you would have to first figure out how to delete a post and i know you have been having trouble adjusting to the new format.
btw i didnt pile on roge. i just called him a dick, NOT unlike you!
jef
also just so you know in advance if you respond as you usually do i will read it - chuckle - and not reply.
you've become a tiresome boar!
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iconcue said:jimbo, fred said i was no longer a rookie and he knows a lot more about cues thanyou do!
and unlike you i dont crave the need to be taken seriously on a billiard post board
also unlike you i have no problem with people deleting posts. in fact one of the main reasons i do it is to irritate you! and because you are so predictable it always works
you are kind of like a broken record jim! the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
in fact i don't think any body would mind if you deleted all of your posts!
it sure dont take any "balls" to leave them up!
but of course you would have to first figure out how to delete a post and i know you have been having trouble adjusting to the new format.
btw i didnt pile on roge! i just called him a dick
jef
were you two abbot and costello in a previous lifetime? or maybe superman and mxyzptlk.
QUESTION,,,and it's been on my mind now for a few days.
you order a cue from ernie/barry/pete/mike/jerry/tad/bill/david.
you get it and it simply is not up to snuff. no two ways about it.
do you return it and say make me another. do you expect to catch sh*t if you do.
do they build you another better one, or one that is hastilly built?
or do you swallow and say thank you.
you order a cue from ernie/barry/pete/mike/jerry/tad/bill/david.
you get it and it simply is not up to snuff. no two ways about it.
do you return it and say make me another. do you expect to catch sh*t if you do.
do they build you another better one, or one that is hastilly built?
or do you swallow and say thank you.
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bruin70 said:
What I would do is look it up on this table:
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html
You have to make two calculations, the first is on yourself, Column #4 minus Column #1 minus wait time.
Compare that number to the Cue-maker, Column #4 minus Column #1 minus wait time.
If either number is a negative, better go ahead and keep the lemon.
By the way, glue lines just polish out in a few minutes - WTF?
Chris