what do you think of this statement from the Black Boar cue website

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" As a contractor for the National Institute of Health (NIH), combined with his work in animation photography Tony is privy to exciting information about the eye and spatial vision as it relates to pool.

Most advanced pool players, approximately 85%, play using their left eye and right hemisphere of the brain to line up and visualize the shot. The left eye directly relates to the right hemisphere of the brain - this is the area of the brain which deals with spatial vision."

Looking for opinions on this opinion.
 
dave...The two hemispheres of the brain do different things. One side is 'creative', and one side is 'action'. If you simplify this, it can be considered 'think vs. do'. We don't use both sides at the same time. One side of the brain allows the decision-making to function, and the other side allows the implementation of that process as action. This is one of the main reasons why we need to stop the cue, at the CB, just prior to the final backswing. It allows to brain to "switch" from 'think', to 'do'! This is just part of the eye pattern philosophy that we teach, some of which is based on the evidence from the Quiet Eye Study.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

" As a contractor for the National Institute of Health (NIH), combined with his work in animation photography Tony is privy to exciting information about the eye and spatial vision as it relates to pool.

Most advanced pool players, approximately 85%, play using their left eye and right hemisphere of the brain to line up and visualize the shot. The left eye directly relates to the right hemisphere of the brain - this is the area of the brain which deals with spatial vision."

Looking for opinions on this opinion.
 
I would love to find where this contracted animated photographer gets his numbers. There are a ton of fallacies I notice:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocular_dominance

The, "Most advanced pool players, approximately 85%, play using their left eye and right hemisphere of the brain to line up and visualize the shot." cracks me up

According to the Wikipedia, only 1/3 of people are left-eye dominant. But somehow, according to this guy, over 2/3's of advanced players are left-eye dominant?

Who's an advance player? Did he talk to every single advance player and determine that around 85/100 of them are left-eye dominant? Lol
 
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Yes, I agree with Evan on this, from my experience I have always heard that most people, like 75% or more, are right handed and right eye dominant. It is pretty clear when a player is shooting if they are left eye or right eye dominant because most people keep their cue under their dominant eye. This is probably a typo and they just got it backwards.
 
dave...The two hemispheres of the brain do different things. One side is 'creative', and one side is 'action'. If you simplify this, it can be considered 'think vs. do'. We don't use both sides at the same time. One side of the brain allows the decision-making to function, and the other side allows the implementation of that process as action. This is one of the main reasons why we need to stop the cue, at the CB, just prior to the final backswing. It allows to brain to "switch" from 'think', to 'do'! This is just part of the eye pattern philosophy that we teach, some of which is based on the evidence from the Quiet Eye Study.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Current neuroscience says this is a myth:

http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2007/10/the_left_brain_right_brain_myt.php
 
I don't know Mr. Sciannella personally, but given his reputation among those Marylanders for whom I have the utmost respect, I'd tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.

A quick search reveals that yes, spatial vision activates the right side of the brain.

For starters, here are two sources:
- Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience
- NeuroReport (PDF File)

YMMV, but I wouldn't get in a hurry to dismiss Mr. Sciannella.
 
dave...The two hemispheres of the brain do different things. One side is 'creative', and one side is 'action'. If you simplify this, it can be considered 'think vs. do'. We don't use both sides at the same time. One side of the brain allows the decision-making to function, and the other side allows the implementation of that process as action. This is one of the main reasons why we need to stop the cue, at the CB, just prior to the final backswing. It allows to brain to "switch" from 'think', to 'do'! This is just part of the eye pattern philosophy that we teach, some of which is based on the evidence from the Quiet Eye Study.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

If this is true then while im walking somewhere why dont i stop every few steps to navigate.
 
dave...The two hemispheres of the brain do different things. One side is 'creative', and one side is 'action'. If you simplify this, it can be considered 'think vs. do'. We don't use both sides at the same time. One side of the brain allows the decision-making to function, and the other side allows the implementation of that process as action. This is one of the main reasons why we need to stop the cue, at the CB, just prior to the final backswing. It allows to brain to "switch" from 'think', to 'do'! This is just part of the eye pattern philosophy that we teach, some of which is based on the evidence from the Quiet Eye Study.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

As the above posters mentioned, this information is over-simplified and antiquated. Having said that I don't mean to take away anything from the poster. I hope you really don't believe that you only use one hemisphere at a time (my corpus callosum is offended just thinking about it)! Although this is true of sleeping fish and people with massive hemispherectomies (spelling? too lazy to google.) who only use one, all the time, lol.

To the OP:
"The left eye directly relates to the right hemisphere of the brain - this is the area of the brain which deals with spatial vision."

I'm not sure that this comment really makes any sense either. It is true that the left and right optic nerves cross at the optic chiasm, and information is sent to the ipsilateral (opposite) thalamus (lateral geniculate n.) but even at this level info comes from both sides, and sent further via Meyer's loop to the visual cortex/occipital lobe (back of the brain) for further processing.
This statement doesn't pass the common sense test: can you spatially process information from the right eye?

It would have been better if they would have listed where this information was, b/c I can't find any data from the NIH specific to "advanced pool players". I'm not saying it doesn't exist... but a search should bring it up...

Here is an abstract of the most related article I could find...

Lateralized effects of hand and eye on anticipatory postural adjustments in visually guided aiming movements

Antonia Ypsilantia, Vassilia Hatzitakia and George GrouiosCorresponding Author Contact Information, a, E-mail The Corresponding Author

Laboratory of Motor Control and Learning, Department of Physical Education and Sports Sciences, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki 541 24, Greece
Received 17 April 2009;
revised 10 June 2009;
accepted 16 June 2009.
Available online 21 June 2009.

Abstract

This study investigated hemisphere-specific processing of visually aimed movements and associated postural adjustments while controlling for handedness and eyedness. Eleven right-handed, right-eyed and right-footed healthy adult volunteers performed, from a standing position, an aiming task under two hand (right and left hand) and three visual conditions (binocular vision, right and left eye monocular vision). Centre of pressure (CoP) displacement, hand kinematics and the target's position were synchronously recorded during performance of the aiming task. Analysis revealed a lower RMS error, a later postural adjustment onset and a smaller centre of pressure dispersion when aiming was performed with the dominant right compared to the non-dominant left hand. On the other hand, no differences on either aiming performance or postural adjustments were noted under the three visual conditions. These results suggest a strong handedness and absence of an eyedness effect on the accuracy of aiming and associated postural adjustments.
 
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"As a contractor for the National Institute of Health (NIH), combined with his work in animation photography Tony is privy to exciting information about the eye and spatial vision as it relates to pool."

If this statement is meant as anything other than a sales pitch, then it's a bit silly. Caveat emptor.

The NIH has a public access policy. To what information would any contractor be privy, other than perhaps unpublished work? And then how would a non-expert know for certain the information isn't publicly available?

"...the public has access to the published results of NIH funded research. It requires scientists to submit final peer-reviewed journal manuscripts that arise from NIH funds to the digital archive PubMed Central upon acceptance for publication."

http://publicaccess.nih.gov/

The left eye directly relates to the right hemisphere of the brain - this is the area of the brain which deals with spatial vision.

And...?

This statement is vague. If Tony had expertise in this subject, it would not be difficult for him to delve into specifics, provide references, or at least write in a more convincing way. Maybe he's claiming that players who center their left eye over the cue have a slight advantage.

Certain types (and stages) of information processing take place in just one hemisphere. When a person reads, for example, identification of letters takes place in a spot in the lower left part of the brain towards the back. This is the same location for all people regardless of the writing system(s) they use.

As it happens, reading accuracy is slightly biased in favor of one side of the visual field.

Letters that appear on the right side of our gaze are at a clear advantage: they go straight into the left hemisphere and do not have to travel any distance to reach the letterbox area. Letters that appears on the left, however, first reach the right hemisphere and then move across the two hemispheres through several centimeters of callosal cable. As a result, even in normal readers, reading is always a bit slower and more error-prone when words appear on the left side of fixation rather than on the right.

Reading in the Brain by Stanislas Dehaene (1st ed. p.86)​
[The "callosal cable" connects the two hemispheres]

Even if this type of hemisphere-specific bias is what Tony meant, there's a lot of explaining to tie that information to pool playing. Analogies and hand wavy descriptions don't cut it.
 
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Left eye dominant right handed pool player here. I guess I'm part of the 85%.
 
Following Tony's, er, logic, we need left-handed baseballs!

NEW from Ralfing: Baseballs that are designed for the 85% of left-handed pitchers who are right-eye dominant.

Also look for these other new Left-Handed Right Eye (LHRE, pronounced "Liar") products from RALFING:

Left-handed footballs.
Left-handed baseballs bats.
LHRE basketballs.

etc., etc.

PUH-LEEZE! You don't change the construction of a pool cue, or any of the above products, based on which effen eye is dominant!!

-von
 

Bob,

if you read the blog you posted a 2nd time and think about it again, then you ll see that it s absolutley correct what Scott wrote.

Don t want to tease perhaps someone here--
but if we would go really a bit deeper into this them about brain/neuro etc, we all should be better a bit quite. Don t hink there are many here have the needed knowledge.

And again- i m 100 % with Scott Lee here- i m also very interested in these themes and talked to several sport-science freaks, psychiaters and also guys who re holding reviews and presentation especially focussed no the *Mental Part in Sports/Billiards*.

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
I'm just going to throw this out there but... I'm saying you need both your eyes equally to line up a shot in pool. Depth perception is equally important to eye dominance.
 
Don t hink there are many here have the needed knowledge.

And again- i m 100 % with Scott Lee here- i m also very interested in these themes and talked to several sport-science freaks, psychiaters and also guys who re holding reviews and presentation especially focussed no the *Mental Part in Sports/Billiards*.

lg from overseas,

Ingo

Back this up with some evidence, rather than you vague notion of what you think is correct. From your statement, I doubt that you have the "needed knowledge" to speculate on what others might know :)

The information to support (or deny) these claims is out there for anyone with access to a university library database (ie. PUBMED). This isn't rocket science, it's neuroscience!!
 
It's my understanding that it has nothing to do with left or right eye dominance.
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The best that I can do to try and explain my understanding of the theory is that when you are lining up the shot, if you are visualizing and feeling your shot then you are probably aiming primarily with your left eye over the cue.
Just look at the pros, and more often when they are in stroke, their left eye is the one that is over the cue or the head is cocked slightly so that the left eye is thrust forward and has the best un-obstructed view.
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Just look at Ratta's avatar picture, perfect example.
 
Bob...Actually, it supports exactly what I said:

All complex behaviours and cognitive functions require the integrated actions of multiple brain regions in both hemispheres of the brain. All types of information are probably processed in both the left and right hemispheres (perhaps in different ways, so that the processing carried out on one side of the brain complements, rather than substitutes, that being carried out on the other).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 
8&snap...You probably would, if you didn't already know where you were going. It might not be every few steps, but it would happen, if you were trying to remember directions, or check for landmarks. The stroke process is much more complex than just walking.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

If this is true then while im walking somewhere why dont i stop every few steps to navigate.
 
Good answer....... There are lot's of things on Tony's website that enhance his product and elevate his lifestyle, but you can't blame the guy, it's called business..... people believe what they want to believe.......

I personally think that if you can make a cue as good as Tony, you can say whatever you want and people will believe it!

Following Tony's, er, logic, we need left-handed baseballs!

NEW from Ralfing: Baseballs that are designed for the 85% of left-handed pitchers who are right-eye dominant.

Also look for these other new Left-Handed Right Eye (LHRE, pronounced "Liar") products from RALFING:

Left-handed footballs.
Left-handed baseballs bats.
LHRE basketballs.

etc., etc.

PUH-LEEZE! You don't change the construction of a pool cue, or any of the above products, based on which effen eye is dominant!!

-von
 
The two hemispheres of the brain do different things. One side is 'creative', and one side is 'action'.

An article was published this week in the venerable (and reliable) psychology journal Psychological Bulletin, which synthesized 67 brain imaging studies of creativity. Among other things, it showed that creativity is not especially a right-brain function. In fact, two of three broad classes of creative thought that have been studied seem not to depend on a single set of brain structures.

What we call “creativity” is so diverse that it can’t be localized in the brain very well.

One might think that this study would put to rest at least part of the left brain/right brain mythology, namely, that the right hemisphere of the brain is more responsible for creative thought than the left.

One would think so, but I wouldn’t count on it.

In the usual mythology, the left hemisphere of the brain is logical, ordered, and analytic, and it supports reading, speech, math, and reasoning. The right hemisphere is more oriented towards feelings and emotions, spatial perception, and the arts, and is said to be more creative.

We have known for at least 30 years that this characterization is incorrect.​

From: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/daniel-willingham/willingham-the-leftright-brain.html
 
Hmmm, actually there's a big difference on how Tiffany markets to it's customers than Walmart...

Tony makes an AMAZING cue, gets top dollar and has a great reputation. Why adopt cheap sales tactics now??

-von

Good answer....... There are lot's of things on Tony's website that enhance his product and elevate his lifestyle, but you can't blame the guy, it's called business..... people believe what they want to believe.......

I personally think that if you can make a cue as good as Tony, you can say whatever you want and people will believe it!
 
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