What exactly is "shortstop" speed?

Southpaw said:
Not trying to steal. It was stated that Larry Nevel isnt top pro speed so he must be just under which is shortstop, right? He gave Bruce the 8 playing 10 ball and beat Bruce....

Southpaw
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Did you miss the part about regional pro, or were you daydreaming at that moment? Larry is not a top pro, but he isn't a shortstop either! He sure ain't runnig to play Corey, or Alex, or SVB some even anything too often!
But he could sanp off any regional tournament with ease!
Jeremy
 
RunoutalloverU said:
There is no way this should be right.
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Run,

We have already told him that the vast majority of poolplayers in the U.S. know that a shortstop is better than an A player, but he still insists on using his local yokel definition of what the terms means.

I am almost starting to buy the "solid D+ player" thing... :D

Russ
 
instroke75 said:
That's not everywhere in the southeast! In Florida, a shortstop is considered above an A player, but below a champion. Shortstops are that guy who can go anywhere and match up, or do good in a tournament, but needs some weight to play a champion!
They would be barred from any Amateur tournaments whereas an A player would be the better players in the amateur tournaments. JMHO
Jeremy
( I would consider myself an A player, but would need weight off shortstops in the area, like Justin Hall, David Grossman, Nathan Rose etc.)
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This is the order that everyone has followed from weakest to strongest:

A player
Shortstop
Top Pro

now we have added sub classes, i.e. regional pro......:rolleyes:

Southpaw
 
Russ Chewning said:
Jeremy, I agree.

An easy way to look at it is this. See if you agree.

"B" level players do well in local nightly tournaments. Favored to get in the money. Will almost always finish below A players and above in these. They win local nightly tournaments more because opponents give them one too many chances, rather than because they forcibly win.

"A" players do well in smaller geographic area tournaments, like perhaps medium population cities/counties. Think "local two day weekend bar tournaments". Still, not any one A player is favored to win the tourney. In local nightly tournaments of the $70-$120, usually dominates. May be forced to sit out for weeks if he/she wins too often.

"Shortstop" players win local nightly tournaments at will, unless they are races to 1. :D Favored to win local two day weekend tourneys every time they step in the box. They do well in smaller regional (multiple county) tournaments. Are capable of beating regional pros if they catch a stroke, but still big dogs to Champions.

"Regional Pros". Consistent winners at all local levels. At smaller regional tournaments, they also dominate, rarely losing a tournament, and when they do, it is to another regional pro. Think "Donny Mills" in Florida. HillBilly Bryant. Glenn Atwell in WA. These guys put a beating on some champions in the tournaments as well. Could be a champion if they had the time to practice as much as Deuel, Archer, etc.. At this level, only about 5 or 6 people have a realistic chance of winning big regional events. It's always the same people winning.

"Champions". Archer, Deuel, Reyes, Alcano, etc. These guys destroy anyone who does not regularly compete in the pro events. The only reason regional pros might have a better win percentage against them locally, is because the regional pros do not travel, and are very accustomed to local playing conditions. Regional pros want no part of gambling with champions.

What do you think?

Russ
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This is virtually perfect, rep to you!
 
Russ Chewning said:
Run,

We have already told him that the vast majority of poolplayers in the U.S. know that a shortstop is better than an A player, but he still insists on using his local yokel definition of what the terms means.

I am almost starting to buy the "solid D+ player" thing... :D

Russ
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So you gonna put Donny in the box or were you just cyber woofing?

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
Well I guess we have our next TAR match. Bruce getting the 8 from Donny playing 10 ball. Race to 100, $10k entry. You got action.

Southpaw
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I only play 9ball because 10 ball has too much luck. I only play 10 ball in tournaments.
 
donny mills said:
I only play 9ball because 10 ball has too much luck. I only play 10 ball in tournaments.
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More luck in 10 ball than 9 ball??? Russ said he would stake you giving Bruce the 8 playing 10 ball. If its 9 ball, Bruce would need the 7.

Southpaw
 
Russ Chewning said:
Wrong.

I think the majority of people on here would classify Bruce as a shortstop, which is ABOVE an A player.

And actually, YES, I WOULD like to put Donny in the box if Bruce thinks he can get there with the 8.

Donny, you up for it, brother?

And to put it clearly, I never said shortstops were road players, Donny. You are putting words into my mouth. I said that road players go around looking to snap off shortstops, and they better play at least your speed if they want to do well on the road.

That match can be made for more than 10k, if anyone else is willing to bet on Mr. Mills. I will happily put up a coupla k on Bruce. He doesn't play that much anymore, but I don't see how anyone's gonna pick against him in this one-Matt
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Southpaw said:
In the Southeast, a shortstop plays between a strong B+ and an A player.

Southpaw
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I consider myself to be a strong 'B' player ...It is not yet close to being a "shortstop" ...
 
Sorry- I suck at quoting. I would, however, like to reiterate that I would very much like to see and bet on this proposed match-up. Can't this be one of those very rare times when the internet is used for a good reason instead of nameless woofing?I'm with Southpaw, let's get it going-Matt p.s.-sorry to hijack the thread:rolleyes:
 
muttley76 said:
Sorry- I suck at quoting. I would, however, like to reiterate that I would very much like to see and bet on this proposed match-up. Can't this be one of those very rare times when the internet is used for a good reason instead of nameless woofing?I'm with Southpaw, let's get it going-Matt p.s.-sorry to hijack the thread:rolleyes:
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I think Russ has ran and hid from the bet now...even though he DID say he would put Donny in the box.

Russ????? you there? **crickets chirpping**

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
I think Russ has ran and hid from the bet now...even though he DID say he would put Donny in the box.

Russ????? you there? **crickets chirpping**

Southpaw
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Okay okay okay... I'll admit when I am wrong. I had heard Bruce's name thrown around before as a player who is strong, but not really in contention to beat many top players.

While this is true, I see he has a record approx equal to Donny Mills in local competition, so I'll take a pass on this matchup.

I say again, I spoke up before I did my research. After checking AZBilliard's player finder, I see I miscategorized Bruce even by my own little ranking system. He would not be a shortstop, he would be a strong regional pro.

Now. I'm sure you won't just let it go, Southpaw, so have at me. :D

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Okay okay okay... I'll admit when I am wrong. I had heard Bruce's name thrown around before as a player who is strong, but not really in contention to beat many top players.

While this is true, I see he has a record approx equal to Donny Mills in local competition, so I'll take a pass on this matchup.

I say again, I spoke up before I did my research. After checking AZBilliard's player finder, I see I miscategorized Bruce even by my own little ranking system. He would not be a shortstop, he would be a strong regional pro.

Now. I'm sure you won't just let it go, Southpaw, so have at me. :D

Russ
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Its not like that Russ. It just shows how the term "shortstop" varies. I know Bruce would take offense to being called a shortstop because in this area it means stops short of beating an A player or above. I was hoping to get Bruce in the box :) Oh well, its all good man.

Southpaw
 
jamesroberts said:
just to clarify there was woofing before and it was stated that bruce would play donny even
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But that was based on Donny playing Stevie even, or something like that, and betting on both sets.

Southpaw
 
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Little bit of a different animal having to play both, lol. Darn, woulda been good to sweat. Tell Bruce he has even action for beer the next time I come around, Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
But that was based on him playing Stevie even, or something like that, and betting on both sets.

Southpaw
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i would bet on donny playing 9 ball with stevie and bruce even
 
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