What happened on Schmidt's 10 ball miss?

[Robertduke]

He had another cue with him but he played with a purpleheart Stacey sneaky that had a trick reverse splice on the buttcap throughout the match. Danny said he ordered the reverse splice on the butt end so I guess he didn't just find the thing laying around. You can see it here :

http://www.theactionreport.com/Action_All_Around_TEN_Ball_20_20.html

The other cue looked like a cocobolo merry widow. He told me who made it but I have forgotten.

I was there for the one pocket match.. I saw the cue.. and was wondering why or what he was thinking about when he kept using sandpaper on the butt.. by the way.. Chriss Bartum done a kick a$$ job on the commentary..

 

[CaptiveBred]

purpleheart Stacey sneaky that had a trick reverse splice on the buttcap...

Not very sneaky now is it? But I am sure some lowlife would still grab it and say "oh, I thought it was a house cue... sorry"

 

[john schmidt]

hi

i talked to my backers and sponsors about just wearing shorts tennis shoes and a golf shirt because the set was for 13 thousand and i wanted to be comfortable and give myself the best chance i could to win.as far as walking out and not doing an interview i was not asked to do one at that time.im not making excuses for how bad i played i just dogged it.i will say this though i switched cues 3 weeks prior after playing with a hunter cue for ten years.i had never played a gambling match with my new cue even though its a great cue ,under pressure i did not have the mental strength and confidence to trust myself spinning the ball.if you notice watching the match nearly every shot i missed was when i spun the ball.i think that comes from jumping up and decelerating which i do bigtime when im nervous.anyway again it was the indian not the arrow ,i played good 14.1,good,1hole then horrific 10 ball when all the money was on the line. frankly i was lucky i did not lose 30-9 the way i played.sometimes the way i play when i practice and how i play under pressure there is such a difference it makes me think im a total dog.im not saying this so you guys will write me and tell me i play good.i just think i have to be honest with myself and realize that i dog it and work on fixing it which im trying right now by reading some books on sports performance etc. when i learn to not be a dog i might start running 400 when it counts lol.anyway congrats danny and talk to you guys later.

 

[Fatboy]

fatboy - that shot was not tough. He got on it very good... Just missed it.

I am with CreeDo here. Seeing one of the best miss a "hanger" confirms that there may still be hope for me Watching top players play perfect is always nice but it allways reminds me how bad I really am

let me be a bit clearer, he got a little funny on it-it could have been alot easier had he hit the 9 nicely-he didnt because of nerves IMO too much adreneline-he was too pumped up a sign of his passion no chemicals(i would never ever imply JS of doing that-he is a class act), I watched it 5 times in a row. And I agree that isnt a easy shot but it is makeable-he missed it by over an inch and kinda flinched too, i'm a good player and have a Diamond in my house so I know it can be missed its a touchy spot in a pressure time, the other corner pocket gets alot bigger on that cut or 2 rails in the side alot can go wrong on it, bridging it on the rail can be difficult too.

I'm knot knocking John at all-Infact thinking about it for him to come on here after someone mentioned it is SUPER STRONG, I have talked about it with a couple pro's and backers, I just didnt share my feelings until it came up. We have all missed BIH when it mattered at one time or another, so my congrats to John for playing one hell of a match and huge respect for talking about it.

hows that? i'm not kissing up, just speaking the truth as I see it, infact i bet the other direction on that set, I let who I bet with pick who he wanted because i'm ahead and was giving him a shot-I thought the match was a coin flip. we bet 4 figure $$$-i usually dont publicize my action but I want let John know(since I know he is reading this thread) that we might be able to do something together sometime(undercover-for me anyways).

 

[JCIN]

My impression was that he was saying unknown as in not having played much with the cue. Not necessarily it being a knock on the cuemaker.

After the tone of the rest of his post I did not take it that way. I could be wrong. But in all fairness John posted up with a cue that he had played with for a few weeks. A cue with a low deflection shaft after playing a lifetime with traditional ones. I think if there were any equipment issues it was a wash. Very simply on those 2 particular nights Danny got there.

Both guys played their guts out.

I think it is a hell of a stand up move for John to come here and publicly own up to his mistakes. He already had my respect but that move is one for the books. I look forward to John getting back in action in one of our matches. He is the type of person we want to associate with. Good on you John and thank you for working with us.

 

[Fatboy]

i talked to my backers and sponsors about just wearing shorts tennis shoes and a golf shirt because the set was for 13 thousand and i wanted to be comfortable and give myself the best chance i could to win.as far as walking out and not doing an interview i was not asked to do one at that time.im not making excuses for how bad i played i just dogged it.i will say this though i switched cues 3 weeks prior after playing with a hunter cue for ten years.i had never played a gambling match with my new cue even though its a great cue ,under pressure i did not have the mental strength and confidence to trust myself spinning the ball.if you notice watching the match nearly every shot i missed was when i spun the ball.i think that comes from jumping up and decelerating which i do bigtime when im nervous.anyway again it was the indian not the arrow ,i played good 14.1,good,1hole then horrific 10 ball when all the money was on the line. frankly i was lucky i did not lose 30-9 the way i played.sometimes the way i play when i practice and how i play under pressure there is such a difference it makes me think im a total dog.im not saying this so you guys will write me and tell me i play good.i just think i have to be honest with myself and realize that i dog it and work on fixing it which im trying right now by reading some books on sports performance etc. when i learn to not be a dog i might start running 400 when it counts lol.anyway congrats danny and talk to you guys later.

respect.

BTW I play barefoot and I promis anyone that if I was in the box for $13,000 my shoes would be out in my car, I dont care how I look when I play, being comfortable is what matters. Sure I would like to look better but thats second to being comfortable and giving myself the best chance possible to win.

 

[CaptiveBred]

wtf is wrong with his outfit???? I thought aesthetics was for women lol

I play my best pool wearing only shorts Got some videos too but I'll never post em lol

Maybe you would rather see the return of the tux


JS, DH, JCIN - great match, BTW. Could not have gone any better for the spectator!

 

[Scottster]

Just clarifying some things...

REMATCH

First off, John talked to Danny about having Danny come out to California for a rematch. Although it has been rather cloudy here in Lees Summit, I dont know about the weather in Cali, but, Danny's exact words were, " There is a better chance of a rain cloud crushing both of us at the same time than me footing the bill to get to California for a rematch." Why should Danny have to travel to Cali? As Duff said, "Southwest Airlines has 10 flights a day to KCI... All challenges are welcome in Lees Summit. Danny told me he thinks an all around should include banks and would like to add it somehow, not necessarily delete one pocket. He also said that as long as he is the All Around Champ, 14.1 will always be played

CUE

Danny took both his Cocobolo Olney, and the Mike Stacey, both with Sniper tips on all shafts. He told me before he left he was going to decide which one to play with depending on playing conditions.

The Mike Stacey was NOT custom made for him by Mike stacey. Danny bought that cue from his friend Jim, who has an awesome collection of cues BTW, that lives in the Ozarks. Danny did use 2000 grit sandpaper on the butt of the cue to reduce the tackiness. 2000 grit is gonna hurt the finish about as much as a dollar bill.

The Cocobolo Olney Danny has, he will always keep. It is definately a special cue. Believe me, since Danny chose to play with the Stacey over his beloved Olney, it wasn't a disadvantage.

Hope this clarifies some things.

 

[JCIN]

CUE



The Mike Stacey was NOT custom made for him by Mike stacey. Danny bought that cue from his friend Jim, who has an awesome collection of cues BTW, that lives in the Ozarks.

Well you better tell Danny that because I know what I heard him say. Mike is a friend of mine so I thought it interesting that he was playing with a Stacey. As far as the other cue and not remembering it, I did not think it particularly interesting as it is pretty straightforward. Maybe Danny meant his buddy ordered it special but he told me he did it. Small point but I do not make sh!t up.

 

[Scottster]

Small point but I do not make sh!t up.

Me neither. It is quite possible that Jim had it custom made that way. I know Danny paid 350 bucks for it from Jim, which I thought was a heck of a buy BTW.

 

[Fatboy]

REMATCH
Danny did use 2000 grit sandpaper on the butt of the cue to reduce the tackiness. 2000 grit is gonna hurt the finish about as much as a dollar bill.

2000 grit will cut the paint and make a shiny cue dull the cue will have a matte finish if you sand it with 2000, a dollar bill wont cut the paint, my friend details cars-$10,000,000 vintage Ferraris all over the country-I didnt know such cars existed but they do, anyways he color sands them, with wet 2000 grit it takes off the top layer of paint and elimates the orange peel from factory paint-he color sands newer cars too, the factory paint awalys has orange peel, so cutting makes it smooth, but after he cuts it, its dull then he has to buff it out. back to pool, there is nothing wrong with sanding the butt if you dont care what your cue looks like and I understand why he did it, but it will change the look if its a shiny cue, if its not then it dosent mater.

 

[JDB]

i talked to my backers and sponsors about just wearing shorts tennis shoes and a golf shirt because the set was for 13 thousand and i wanted to be comfortable and give myself the best chance i could to win.as far as walking out and not doing an interview i was not asked to do one at that time.im not making excuses for how bad i played i just dogged it.i will say this though i switched cues 3 weeks prior after playing with a hunter cue for ten years.i had never played a gambling match with my new cue even though its a great cue ,under pressure i did not have the mental strength and confidence to trust myself spinning the ball.if you notice watching the match nearly every shot i missed was when i spun the ball.i think that comes from jumping up and decelerating which i do bigtime when im nervous.anyway again it was the indian not the arrow ,i played good 14.1,good,1hole then horrific 10 ball when all the money was on the line. frankly i was lucky i did not lose 30-9 the way i played.sometimes the way i play when i practice and how i play under pressure there is such a difference it makes me think im a total dog.im not saying this so you guys will write me and tell me i play good.i just think i have to be honest with myself and realize that i dog it and work on fixing it which im trying right now by reading some books on sports performance etc. when i learn to not be a dog i might start running 400 when it counts lol.anyway congrats danny and talk to you guys later.

John,

Anyone who wins the US open, does not dog it. It was just that time under those circumstances. Anyone can do it, even champions like you.

Let it go and don't sweat it. You will be back bigger and better than ever... JMO

 

[ledrums]

This question is for John. I'm not second guessing you, but why did you have to spin it in? Was there some disadvantage of not using spin or is it just a personal preference? Just curious

 

[Fatboy]

John,

Anyone who wins the US open, does not dog it. It was just that time under those circumstances. Anyone can do it, even champions like you.

Let it go and don't sweat it. You will be back bigger and better than ever... JMO

I agree John will be back, hell he didnt even leave. He is an awesome player and a assett to American pool, the sport etc.

He didnt dog it meaning the match, but that shot he did dog just that one shot by his own admission, every champion in the world dogs it just alot less often than the rest of the world. If I played half as good as he does I would be happy. Nobody is dog proof, Willie, Efren and even Jay Helfert dogs it. I am proud to say I dog it more than the whole list.

 

[ccshrimper]

why not step up and play the games he is asking for. he is the all around champ he should be able to say what games should go into the all around. its all pool, unless your are afraid to play banks. i dont know.

If I beat someone gambling, I'll play them the same game again. If I lose a game gambling and ask for it again, I don't expect the winner to want to adjust the game. I'm not saying Danny did this, just responding to your question.

 

[JDB]

I agree John will be back, hell he didnt even leave. He is an awesome player and a assett to American pool, the sport etc.

He didnt dog it meaning the match, but that shot he did dog just that one shot by his own admission, every champion in the world dogs it just alot less often than the rest of the world. If I played half as good as he does I would be happy. Nobody is dog proof, Willie, Efren and even Jay Helfert dogs it. I am proud to say I dog it more than the whole list.

I agree. My point was that when a Champion misses, like John, I don't necessarily say he dogs it; it is just a miss.

It is really semantics more than anything else. However, it can affect someone's psychic, which is why I think it is important just to think of it as a miss.

 

[Fatboy]

I agree. My point was that when a Champion misses, like John, I don't necessarily say he dogs it; it is just a miss.

It is really semantics more than anything else. However, it can affect someone's psychic, which is why I think it is important just to think of it as a miss.

yup were on the same page, thx sir!!!

 

[JDB]

yup were on the same page, thx sir!!!

Thanks, Fatboy. We are not always on the same page, so it is nice to be on the same page this time....

 

[Fatboy]

Thanks, Fatboy. We are not always on the same page, so it is nice to be on the same page this time....

were not? oops sorry. friends?

 

[Jimmy M.]

there was 13 thou apiece bet on that set.i played the worst ten ball of my life .i was unsure of myself the whole set and it was extra tough for me to shoot spin shots with left and right english.anyway with the fact i was playing with no confidence ,alot of money on the line and the also i could not believe i had a chance to pull ahead even though i was playing horrible.so to put it in a nutshell i dogged it bad no one to blame but myself.anyway i practiced this past week in hopes of playing the spin shots better and i feel ive got it figured out.i called harriman and told him i would like to play the same format again for the same money and he gave me some story to the effect of we have to drop the one hole and play bank pool instead.anyway i will be asking him to try it again at the derby.

I was going to start covering for you and talk about the humidity, the cold weather in KY, the bouncy rails, and whatever else I could throw in there but, now that you went ahead and played the "dogged it" card, I got nothing.