What happened on Schmidt's 10 ball miss?

[derekdisco]

It was a fun match to watch, but while John Dogged it, in the rolls department, they favored john about 8-1.

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

i talked to my backers and sponsors about just wearing shorts tennis shoes and a golf shirt because the set was for 13 thousand and i wanted to be comfortable and give myself the best chance i could to win.as far as walking out and not doing an interview i was not asked to do one at that time.im not making excuses for how bad i played i just dogged it.i will say this though i switched cues 3 weeks prior after playing with a hunter cue for ten years.i had never played a gambling match with my new cue even though its a great cue ,under pressure i did not have the mental strength and confidence to trust myself spinning the ball.if you notice watching the match nearly every shot i missed was when i spun the ball.i think that comes from jumping up and decelerating which i do bigtime when im nervous.anyway again it was the indian not the arrow ,i played good 14.1,good,1hole then horrific 10 ball when all the money was on the line. frankly i was lucky i did not lose 30-9 the way i played.sometimes the way i play when i practice and how i play under pressure there is such a difference it makes me think im a total dog.im not saying this so you guys will write me and tell me i play good.i just think i have to be honest with myself and realize that i dog it and work on fixing it which im trying right now by reading some books on sports performance etc. when i learn to not be a dog i might start running 400 when it counts lol.anyway congrats danny and talk to you guys later.

Changing cue's 3 weeks before a big match was a bad move, ok for for the average everday player but for a touring professional it can be a disaster.

Even though Im sure you had ample amount of time to adjust, under that much stress shooting with a cue thats is still new to you cost you the match. IMHO. the taper could have been differnt, the balance, the hit, something about that cue is wrong for you. Id suggest, when swimming in the pool, beware of Sharks.

Put a spin on it, sell that cue on Ebay, and play with your Hunter until a cue maker will make YOU a cue. The cue maker in question would likely need you to come in try differnt tapers and for sure bring your current playing cue.

Efren for example, he can play with a broomstick, as long as the taper is right and he feels confortable. thats my impression and albeit its acurate.

It is the Indian, but crooked arrow no fly right. The balance has to be perfect, each feather is groomed, all the indian does is what he always does, pull and fire. If he questions the arrow for one second, he will miss. Dont buy into, "Its the Indian not the arrow" unless you have a handle on what that means to a player, not a cue maker. This is why I believe the best cues in the world are made by Players. If your cue maker cant make three ball's in a row, that cue maker has no right blamming the Indian.


Once you have found your cue, the mental aspects of the game imho are pretty simple. you need not change anything, you do however need to learn how to deal with and accept adrenaline and it's amazing power. When you heart throbs, instantly you freak out, your fight or flight syndrome kicks in and you panic. your body is unconfortable and wants to flee. you must teach it to stand and fight. Your body will accept this, and will be enhanced. you will see better, all your senses highten and prepare for battle. tapping into this is what I consider the term Dead Stroke.. It does leave you with a "hang over", so if you have ever experianced this you will know it.

When you let it flow without reserve, you welcome pressure. what used to be your cyrptonite becomes your happy place. Eat pressure and enjoy the fruits of your labor.



SPINDOKTOR

 

[poolfire]

If I beat someone gambling, I'll play them the same game again. If I lose a game gambling and ask for it again, I don't expect the winner to want to adjust the game. I'm not saying Danny did this, just responding to your question.

All i am sayin is that all of these games are still pool. why wouldnt you want to play something that you know you are stronger at. you never gambled and lost and asked to play a different game that you are stronger at? or even give up some weight to play that game, i know i have. maybe in the all around it should just be random. neither one knowing what is going to be chosen. make a list of five or six games, and just draw. now that would be gamblin. and that would be a true all around challenge.

 

[MOJOE]

Without reading through the whole thread, this may have already been said.

He just missed it, why ask why?? JS is a fantastic player with a ton of heart but everyone misses, it kind of goes with being human. JS offers no excuses, it happens.

EVERYONE misses!

 

[JCIN]

Changing cue's 3 weeks before a big match was a bad move, ok for for the average everday player but for a touring professional it can be a disaster.

Even though Im sure you had ample amount of time to adjust, under that much stress shooting with a cue thats is still new to you cost you the match. IMHO. the taper could have been differnt, the balance, the hit, something about that cue is wrong for you. Id suggest, when swimming in the pool, beware of Sharks.

Put a spin on it, sell that cue on Ebay, and play with your Hunter until a cue maker will make YOU a cue. The cue maker in question would likely need you to come in try differnt tapers and for sure bring your current playing cue.

Efren for example, he can play with a broomstick, as long as the taper is right and he feels confortable. thats my impression and albeit its acurate.

It is the Indian, but crooked arrow no fly right. The balance has to be perfect, each feather is groomed, all the indian does is what he always does, pull and fire. If he questions the arrow for one second, he will miss. Dont buy into, "Its the Indian not the arrow" unless you have a handle on what that means to a player, not a cue maker. This is why I believe the best cues in the world are made by Players. If your cue maker cant make three ball's in a row, that cue maker has no right blamming the Indian.


Once you have found your cue, the mental aspects of the game imho are pretty simple. you need not change anything, you do however need to learn how to deal with and accept adrenaline and it's amazing power. When you heart throbs, instantly you freak out, your fight or flight syndrome kicks in and you panic. your body is unconfortable and wants to flee. you must teach it to stand and fight. Your body will accept this, and will be enhanced. you will see better, all your senses highten and prepare for battle. tapping into this is what I consider the term Dead Stroke.. It does leave you with a "hang over", so if you have ever experianced this you will know it.

When you let it flow without reserve, you welcome pressure. what used to be your cyrptonite becomes your happy place. Eat pressure and enjoy the fruits of your labor.



SPINDOKTOR

There is more to the cue situation than you evidently are aware of. John is sponsored to play with the OB1 cue. Being as he is an honorable man he does what he says he will and PLAYS with the cue he is being paid to play with. OB1 makes a good product but I think the short transition time between a low deflection shaft and a traditional one could have an impact on a players confidence playing spin shots. This does not make the OB1 bad in any way, it is in fact a testament to how well it reduces deflection. However it is different and requires time to adjust, maybe a little more than 3 weeks. We will find out down the road. One thing I am sure of is that at some point John will be back in the box.

 

[klockdoc]

There is more to the cue situation than you evidently are aware of. John is sponsored to play with the OB1 cue. Being as he is an honorable man he does what he says he will and PLAYS with the cue he is being paid to play with. OB1 makes a good product but I think the short transition time between a low deflection shaft and a traditional one could have an impact on a players confidence playing spin shots. This does not make the OB1 bad in any way, it is in fact a testament to how well it reduces deflection. However it is different and requires time to adjust, maybe a little more than 3 weeks. We will find out down the road. One thing I am sure of is that at some point John will be back in the box.

JCIN, while I have your attention and off the subject at hand, it was mentioned in the Schmidt/Harriman all around that the Diamond tables pockets were deeper than the Gold Crowns. (I think it was Chris that mentioned this).

While I agree with this, the tables that were used in this race, it appears, were not ones with the deeper pockets that I have played on before.

Is this correct?

I have noticed that some of the Diamond tables, the lip goes back about halfway into the pocket. These didn't appear that deep.

 

[HollyWood]

stacey cue a hit !!

GOOD MORNING JCIN . mR sTACY PLEASE EXCEPT MY APPOLIGIZE I DO NOT MEAN YOUR CUE ANY HARM. DIFFEREN'T WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER WORD. JCIN i DID CORRESPOND WITH JAY- BEFORE THE OLATHE SHOOT OUT. hE CONTACTED MR MIKE AND MR MIKE BROUGHT SOME CUES DOWN TO SELL. 2 OF MY FRIENDS LOOKED,ONE HIT SOMEBALLS. I was interested in the threads and It was explained. VERY CHEAP PRICE. I can't remember it all Watchmaker/jeweler or something 35yrs. I wish you success in the cue making bussiness- I am a Fan of Danny H. Great Advertising for you both -mark

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

There is more to the cue situation than you evidently are aware of. John is sponsored to play with the OB1 cue. Being as he is an honorable man he does what he says he will and PLAYS with the cue he is being paid to play with. OB1 makes a good product but I think the short transition time between a low deflection shaft and a traditional one could have an impact on a players confidence playing spin shots. This does not make the OB1 bad in any way, it is in fact a testament to how well it reduces deflection. However it is different and requires time to adjust, maybe a little more than 3 weeks. We will find out down the road. One thing I am sure of is that at some point John will be back in the box.

I understand, and no I wasnt aware that he is being paid to play with a OB-1
and no, I have heard nothing but good things about OB-1, and the excellent quality, so that rules out the arrow. Now lets look at the indian..

I myself have played with low deflection shafts, and it can mess with you under pressure, because you want to compensate for the english when you dont have to. So you have to remember not to adjust.. I think your right he just needs more time...

so all in all it was the Indian, under pressure with a new cue. 3 weeks isnt enough time to deal with a new cue, because you run into situations whitch you play from memory, and you shoot the shot a certain way... Id give him another month, once he adjusts and can take advantage of the low deflection shaft he will likey be shooting better than before he recieved the new cue.


SPINDOKTOR

 

[Scottster]

Changing cue's 3 weeks before a big match was a bad move, ok for for the average everday player but for a touring professional it can be a disaster.

SPINDOKTOR

Congrats for his new personal best run of 403!!!

OB Cues stopped by Q-Masters early this evening and handed John (their sponsored player) a new butt to try with the OB-1 shaft. John immediately went on a run, 100, 200, 300,400 and then the dreaded 1 ball that stopped his previous high run at 400 surfaced again at 403!!! Congrats John - it was an honor to watch it live!

Amazing how this feat with the OB-1 cue has been forgotten. I am by no means an A level straight pool player, but I am willing to bet that during this run there had to be at least 20 shots executed using spin.

For me to step up and run 40 balls, playing with a cue for the first time would give me a tremendous amount of confidence. I cant imagine the amount of confidence running 400 balls the very first time playing with a new cue.

SO IMHO John choosing to play with this cue could have no way been a "Disasterous" mistake.

403 is an amazing high run, especially not being comfortable with the cue. Kinda scary really.

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

Amazing how this feat with the OB-1 cue has been forgotten. I am by no means an A level straight pool player, but I am willing to bet that during this run there had to be at least 20 shots executed using spin.

For me to step up and run 40 balls, playing with a cue for the first time would give me a tremendous amount of confidence. I cant imagine the amount of confidence running 400 balls the very first time playing with a new cue.

SO IMHO John choosing to play with this cue could have no way been a "Disasterous" mistake.

403 is an amazing high run, especially not being comfortable with the cue. Kinda scary really.

Im really out of the loop, I had no idea he ran 403 ball's with the new cue, he is not going to play any better with that cue, He either Dumped, or is hopeless at dealing with pressure.




SPINDOKTOR

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Having run 400, then 403, holy cow....... Incredible....Congrats on your new personal best record John! I have a feeling that you're going to be the player to beat Mosconi's record.

 

[JCIN]

JCIN, while I have your attention and off the subject at hand, it was mentioned in the Schmidt/Harriman all around that the Diamond tables pockets were deeper than the Gold Crowns. (I think it was Chris that mentioned this).

While I agree with this, the tables that were used in this race, it appears, were not ones with the deeper pockets that I have played on before.

Is this correct?

I have noticed that some of the Diamond tables, the lip goes back about halfway into the pocket. These didn't appear that deep.

I don't know. Here is a video of Greg Sullivan of Diamond showing how to measure a pocket. The table he is using is the one Danny and John played on.

Maybe you can tell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG9CqK95U2E

 

[JCIN]

Im really out of the loop, I had no idea he ran 403 ball's with the new cue, he is not going to play any better with that cue, He either Dumped, or is hopeless at dealing with pressure.




SPINDOKTOR

Ok I don't normally do this but you are an IDIOT. How many times have you played for $20K+ genius? How many U.S. Opens have you won ? Who the fvck are you to accuse a champion and stand up guy of dumping?

You admit you are out of the loop. You are out of your mind. Go away and find another subject you know nothing about and call their champions thieves. People like you make me sick. You have no info at all on the situation and the first thing you do is insult a man with a great reputaion. Why ? Do you feel like it makes you look intelligent? Like you can see some deep hidden signs that the rest of us need you to point out to us? Fool.

Tell you what hero. I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong. If John is such a folder under pressure or a dump artist then you can play him at the Derby for whatever you want to bet. You got 5 to 1 on the money. We will stream it live for free so the whole world can see. Stop talking sh!t get in the ring. See how it feels to have everything on the line in front of everyone. But you will never do that. Because you are a nit who can do nothing but talk sh!t about things you have no clue about. You owe John an apology.

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

Ok I don't normally do this but you are an IDIOT. How many times have you played for $20K+ genius? How many U.S. Opens have you won ? Who the fvck are you to accuse a champion and stand up guy of dumping?

You admit you are out of the loop. You are out of your mind. Go away and find another subject you know nothing about and call their champions thieves. People like you make me sick. You have no info at all on the situation and the first thing you do is insult a man with a great reputaion. Why ? Do you feel like it makes you look intelligent? Like you can see some deep hidden signs that the rest of us need you to point out to us? Fool.

Tell you what hero. I'll give you a chance to prove me wrong. If John is such a folder under pressure or a dump artist then you can play him at the Derby for whatever you want to bet. You got 5 to 1 on the money. We will stream it live for free so the whole world can see. Stop talking sh!t get in the ring. See how it feels to have everything on the line in front of everyone. But you will never do that. Because you are a nit who can do nothing but talk sh!t about things you have no clue about. You owe John an apology.

well, Buddy, I tell ya what I will do, I'll play John, Right after the match between you and I, after I BREAK you, I'll talk to john, if he feels I insulted him I'll give him a chance for redemption.

No shit talking here buddy, if you feel the need Jump, if yer feeling froggy, I will for certain take you up on your offer...PM me for details partner...

IN PUBLIC? HELL YES! I just hope you can play? I get 5-1 on your money to right?

SPINDOKTOR

 

[Williebetmore]

How many times have you played for $20K+ genius? How many U.S. Opens have you won ? .

JCIN,
I think you've hit the nail on the head. JS is just being a bit harsh on himself - he has very high standards and expectations. Everyone misses.

For those who have not played competitive straight pool (FOR MONEY OR IN AN IMPORTANT TOURNAMENT); it is completely different than practicing. You must get up and down; you must wait your turn (often for long periods), you often must shoot an extremely difficult shot as your first when returning to the table, and the last half hour of any match is a ***** ('cause you can lose with any miss or loss of position).

Nick Varner related a story where in an important U.S. Open 14.1 competition he won a match by making a shot of incredible difficulty near the end of the match that he sweated and worried about, but successfully pocketed - thinking he had accomplished a great feat. The next day he saw the shot on videotape, and it was nearly a hanger, that any newbie would easily pocket without thinking twice. The game does something to you - the pressure is continuous and progressive - the continuous pressure at the end of the match is a tough thing to get through - very different in my opinion than 9-ball.

I can't speak for John; but I did see him run a 112 against Pagulayan in the epic money match at DCC. When I complimented John when I saw him a year later, he did say that he was prouder of that run (done in competition, on tough equipment, for money, against a champion who had already fired out of the gate) than he was of his 400. I certainly was more impressed by that run (and his equivalent run recently against Harriman) than by the 400's. It's a big deal if you've ever been in that type of situation (I've only gambled twice for significant money at straight pool; but damn, the last half hour of those matches was a living hell of pressure....JMO).

 

[john schmidt]

i must say

jcin i appreciate you sticking up for me.i dont however want you guys hating each other over this.spindoctor probably is not a bad guy,he just calls it like he sees it.i of course did not dump and im not hopeless with pressure like he said .i do feel like i dogged it so bad in that 10ball set that i deserve to get ragged on.jcin is a good guy and after meeting him and chad i really like those guys.anyway lets all get along .i love my ob1 cue and all those balls i missed is because i lost my confidence under pressure its happened to me a million times.in closing im sick enough that i played so bad that set and lost but to see people going off on each other really sucks.everyone check out this website nacpba.com that should give us all something good to talk about.later gaters

 

[JCIN]

well, Buddy, I tell ya what I will do, I'll play John, Right after the match between you and I, after I BREAK you, I'll talk to john, if he feels I insulted him I'll give him a chance for redemption.

No shit talking here buddy, if you feel the need Jump, if yer feeling froggy, I will for certain take you up on your offer...PM me for details partner...

IN PUBLIC? HELL YES! I just hope you can play? I get 5-1 on your money to right?

SPINDOKTOR

Nice deflection. Typical nit response.

I am not your partner. I do not like you. You insulted a good man for no reason. You screwed up here not me. Man up and admit it.

As for your little PM. Stop by the action room at the Derby and call me BOY to my face hero. My name is Justin Collett I am easy to find I look just like my avatar. Who are you all star?

 

[JCIN]

jcin i appreciate you sticking up for me.i dont however want you guys hating each other over this.spindoctor probably is not a bad guy,he just calls it like he sees it.i of course did not dump and im not hopeless with pressure like he said .i do feel like i dogged it so bad in that 10ball set that i deserve to get ragged on.jcin is a good guy and after meeting him and chad i really like those guys.anyway lets all get along .i love my ob1 cue and all those balls i missed is because i lost my confidence under pressure its happened to me a million times.in closing im sick enough that i played so bad that set and lost but to see people going off on each other really sucks.everyone check out this website nacpba.com that should give us all something good to talk about.later gaters

John, I appreciate you not wanting people in conflict over something to do with you. It is just one more example of the class you carry yourself with. Frankly this about more than you though.

The stigma that kills this game is the "dump factor", or more simply integrity. When someone starts shouting "dump" no matter how unfounded it hurts everyone. Especially if it goes unchallenged. I have everything riding on this Action Report deal. It is my livelyhood. I will not stand by and let some fool tear down what Chad, myself and many others worked our asses off to accomplish.

 

[smokeandapancak]

huff and puff.....you two are cute...........

anywho....John
What is the deal with the NACPBA?????
Seems to be alot of questions floating around ...can you help solve 'em?

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

jcin i appreciate you sticking up for me.i dont however want you guys hating each other over this.spindoctor probably is not a bad guy,he just calls it like he sees it.i of course did not dump and im not hopeless with pressure like he said .i do feel like i dogged it so bad in that 10ball set that i deserve to get ragged on.jcin is a good guy and after meeting him and chad i really like those guys.anyway lets all get along .i love my ob1 cue and all those balls i missed is because i lost my confidence under pressure its happened to me a million times.in closing im sick enough that i played so bad that set and lost but to see people going off on each other really sucks.everyone check out this website nacpba.com that should give us all something good to talk about.later gaters

John, I really didnt intend to insult you if I did... If you want to kick my butt on the table I would be honered.. I am amazed you ran so many balls with a new cue, that to me says alot, If I offended you please except my humble applogies..

SPINDOKTOR