What happens when breaking in 9 ball and a miscue occurs?

Flex

Flex

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What happens when breaking in 9 ball and a miscue occurs? The cue ball goes downtable but doesn't hit any ball.

One person told me the breaker breaks again, since the game hasn't started until the rack has been hit with the cue ball.

Another told me that it's a foul, and the opponent has the choice of breaking, or making the original breaker break again.

What's the rule?

Are there different rules depending on the venue? Which rules govern? Texas Express rules, BCA, WPA, UPA, or?

When matching up with someone, what is the standard way this issue is resolved?

Flex
 
Flex said:
What happens when breaking in 9 ball and a miscue occurs? The cue ball goes downtable but doesn't hit any ball.

One person told me the breaker breaks again, since the game hasn't started until the rack has been hit with the cue ball.

Another told me that it's a foul, and the opponent has the choice of breaking, or making the original breaker break again.

What's the rule?

Are there different rules depending on the venue? Which rules govern? Texas Express rules, BCA, WPA, UPA, or?

When matching up with someone, what is the standard way this issue is resolved?

Flex
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The rules do vary depending upon what tour or league.

As far as matching up, in most cases unless you hit the rack it is not a foul. Afterall, it is a gentlemans game.

Mj
 
It's a foul wich give ball in hand to the opponent on all the table (in 9 ball). So the opponent can break or play any other legal shot. In this case, the classical shot is to play a safety, letting the cue ball behind the rack with 2 rails after hitting the one finely.
 
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Somethig like that

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It is no more considering as a break shot, so only one ball must touch a cushion after the impact.
 
WPA Rules - http://wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_pocket

3.8 CUE BALL ON OPENING BREAK
The opening break shot is taken with cue ball in hand behind the head string. The object balls are positioned according to specific game rules. On the opening break, the game is considered to have commenced once the cue ball has been struck by the cue tip.

3.9 DEFLECTING THE CUE BALL ON THE GAME'S OPENING BREAK
On the break shot, stopping or deflecting the cue ball after it has crossed the head string and prior to hitting the racked balls is considered a foul and loss of turn. The opponent has the option of receiving cue ball in hand behind the head string or passing the cue ball in hand behind the head string back to the offending player. (Exception: 9-Ball, see rule 5.3: "cue ball in hand anywhere on the table"). A warning must be given that a second
violation during the match will result in the loss of the match by forfeiture. (See Rule 3.28.)


USPPA 9 BALL RULES - PRO EXPRESS - http://www.usppa.com/rules.htm

Player must hit the one ball on the break to start the game.
A legal break occurs when the one ball is struck first, and at least 5 balls are driven to a rail. If this does not occur, you must re-rack and break again.


Mj prefers WPA / World Standardized Rules
 
WPA rules - http://wpa-pool.com/index.asp?content=rules_9ball

5.4 LEGAL BREAK SHOT
The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
1. The breaker must strike the1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at
least four numbered balls to the rail.
2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements
of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has
cue ball in hand anywhere on the table.
3. If on the break shot, the breaker causes an object ball to jump off the
table, it is a foul and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere
on the table. The object ball is not respotted (exception: if the object
ball is the 9-ball, it is respotted).
 
MikeJanis said:
WPA Rules -
3.9 DEFLECTING THE CUE BALL ON THE GAME'S OPENING BREAK
On the break shot, stopping or deflecting the cue ball after it has crossed the head string and prior to hitting the racked balls is considered a foul and loss of turn. The opponent has the option of receiving cue ball in hand behind the head string or passing the cue ball in hand behind the head string back to the offending player. (Exception: 9-Ball, see rule 5.3: "cue ball in hand anywhere on the table"). A warning must be given that a second
violation during the match will result in the loss of the match by forfeiture. (See Rule 3.28.)

Mj prefers WPA / World Standardized Rules
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5.4 LEGAL BREAK SHOT
The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
1. The breaker must strike the1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at
least four numbered balls to the rail.
2. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements
of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has
cue ball in hand anywhere on the table.
3. If on the break shot, the breaker causes an object ball to jump off the
table, it is a foul and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere
on the table. The object ball is not respotted (exception: if the object
ball is the 9-ball, it is respotted).

Mike: I'll be seeing you Saturday at Grady's. You can tell me then which rule y'all use...;)

Doc
 
Flex said:
What happens when breaking in 9 ball and a miscue occurs? The cue ball goes downtable but doesn't hit any ball.

One person told me the breaker breaks again, since the game hasn't started until the rack has been hit with the cue ball.

Another told me that it's a foul, and the opponent has the choice of breaking, or making the original breaker break again.

What's the rule?

Are there different rules depending on the venue? Which rules govern? Texas Express rules, BCA, WPA, UPA, or?

When matching up with someone, what is the standard way this issue is resolved?

Flex
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The lack of a standard rule on this is an embarassment to the game and irritating to boot.

What I think it should be is the incoming player gets the choice to take the break (from behind the line) or give it back.

Chris
 
billbOK said:
Somethig like that

CueTable Help



It is no more considering as a break shot, so only one ball must touch a cushion after the impact.
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I was playing at the Wednesday night 9-ball tournament at Snookers (while in town on business) in Providence, Rhode Island and my opponent fouled/miscued on the break ....

I played the above safety and almost everyone there exclaimed "What the hell are you doing? ... Is that some bar rule from where you live!?"

Where I'm from it is ball-in-hand-anywhere when some one miscues on a 9-ball break.... no questions asked.

Chris
 
eastcoast_chris said:
I was playing at the Wednesday night 9-ball tournament at Snookers (while in town on business) in Providence, Rhode Island and my opponent fouled/miscued on the break ....

I played the above safety and almost everyone there exclaimed "What the hell are you doing? ... Is that some bar rule from where you live!?"

Where I'm from it is ball-in-hand-anywhere when some one miscues on a 9-ball break.... no questions asked.

Chris
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cancelled had first misunderstood
 
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Hey Gulfportdoc will you be there on Sunday also? I have to come only one day and was comjng Sunday for the last sixteen or twenty four players.

Leonard
 
Foul

We play that if the cue ball crosses the line and doesnt hit the rack the break automatically goes to the opponent.

highrun55
 
eastcoast_chris said:
I was playing at the Wednesday night 9-ball tournament at Snookers (while in town on business) in Providence, Rhode Island and my opponent fouled/miscued on the break ....

I played the above safety and almost everyone there exclaimed "What the hell are you doing? ... Is that some bar rule from where you live!?"

Where I'm from it is ball-in-hand-anywhere when some one miscues on a 9-ball break.... no questions asked.

Chris
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2 Common Rules that I've seen;
1. ball-in-hand-anywhere
2. opponent's break/your opponent asks you to break again - (both bad spread that needs re-racking and non-hit)

My suggestion is to always ask when the game is informal. You always play the prevailing rule to avoid any problems. Remember that the rule also applies to them even if it is "screwy."
 
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TATE said:
The lack of a standard rule on this is an embarassment to the game and irritating to boot. ..
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To the extent that there is a standard set of rules, it is the WPA World Standardized Rules. Tournament players can do their part by asking the tournament directors to use them. If the rules are not written well or are just plain wrong (in your opinion), you can help by contacting someone on the WPA Rules Revision Committee.

A new set of WSR will be presented at the WPA General Assembly in November. Mostly the new set removes all the moss and vines that had grown on the wording of the old set which made them very difficult to understand. I hope no significant new errors were introduced.
 
Bob Jewett said:
To the extent that there is a standard set of rules, it is the WPA World Standardized Rules. Tournament players can do their part by asking the tournament directors to use them. If the rules are not written well or are just plain wrong (in your opinion), you can help by contacting someone on the WPA Rules Revision Committee.

A new set of WSR will be presented at the WPA General Assembly in November. Mostly the new set removes all the moss and vines that had grown on the wording of the old set which made them very difficult to understand. I hope no significant new errors were introduced.
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Thanks, Bob, I'll be looking forward to it.

At one time we could also refer back to the Texas Express web site too, where they had "Pro Express" rules which a lot of tournaments used. I guess they closed that site down. I think we should all do our part to make sure the WPA rules are used, just to have some standardization.

Chris
 
"The Russian" vs. 37 Alabama 'Bubba's' Taking John's Side

For 7 years, in the weekly and monthly 9 ball tournaments, we played that ANY foul on the break was cueball in hand ANYWHERE on the table and you could attempt to put your opponent on their second foul.
I announced it before every tournament and everyone understood it.
Doug
( you should have seen the argument that ensued at Breakers in Mobile, Ala. when John Schmidt was playing Stalev "The Russian" 10 ahead for the cheese and John accidently touched the cueball with his cue while stroking for the break ) :)
 
Smorgass Bored said:
( you should have seen the argument that ensued at Breakers in Mobile, Ala. when John Schmidt was playing Stalev "The Russian" 10 ahead for the cheese and John accidently touched the cueball with his cue while stroking for the break ) :)
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What did they end up doing? I would call it a foul and incoming player would get ball in hand behind the line. I think that's what the "Pro Express" rule was before they took them down.

Chris
 
TATE said:
What did they end up doing? I would call it a foul and incoming player would get ball in hand behind the line. I think that's what the "Pro Express" rule was before they took them down.

Chris
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Stalev wanted the cueball and was going to shoot the safety shown in the diagram above. John wouldn't give up the cueball. Stalev's blonde haired Russian running buddy wanted to take down the 'up money' and leave (to catch their plane). Stalev was cursing his 'buddy' in Russian AND English. LOL

Ricky Byrd (John's backer & roomowner) wanted John to re-break and stated flatly that it was NOT a foul and Stalev didn't get b.i.h. and 37 Bubba's agreed... I took the Russian's side and 'they' didn't like that (let them eat cake..... and chitlins) :)

If I remember correctly, Ricky Byrd offered an APA Rule Book to The Russian and John re-shot the breakshot..... and the Russian ended up with the cheeeeese.

Doug
( I'm going to look up my original post when I'm out of this poker tournament )

*Chitlins ... Let us consider what chitlins are - they are hog intestines or guts and southerners LOVE them...


Edited to add: I thought that Google groups had everything archived, but was unable to find my original post. I'm going to PM John Schmidt and see how he remembers it..





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Flex said:
What happens when breaking in 9 ball and a miscue occurs?
When matching up with someone, what is the standard way this issue is resolved?

Flex
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Well the issue is resolved like this. :D The "someone" laughs at you and tells you to buy a break rack to practice "not" miscuing for 8 hours. :p
 
poolcuemaster said:
Hey Gulfportdoc will you be there on Sunday also? I have to come only one day and was comjng Sunday for the last sixteen or twenty four players.

Leonard
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Hey, Leonard-- Yes, we'll be there Sunday, even if I don't make the cut. We'll drive down to Charleston Sunday afternoon for a little R & R. Be sure to introduce yourself, since you know what I look like. I hope the women don't crowd around me as they usually do. I'll have my wife with me...

Doc
 
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